Doug Burgum

And you might, you know, go a path for, you know, two years, three years and get your federal permit and then find out, oh, that a state like New York is not going to provide it. Or you might get a permit in six months in a state that's

that can efficiently do permitting and get all the work done and take care of everything, and then find out that the federal government's going to sit on it for an entire presidential term because they're ideologically opposed. When we do that to ourselves, then we have no chance against a country like China that is focused on on an outcome, which is they're going to achieve prosperity.

that can efficiently do permitting and get all the work done and take care of everything, and then find out that the federal government's going to sit on it for an entire presidential term because they're ideologically opposed. When we do that to ourselves, then we have no chance against a country like China that is focused on on an outcome, which is they're going to achieve prosperity.

They're going to achieve all of their environmental goals by having the power to have all the solutions as opposed to the environment we have now, which restricts that innovation.

They're going to achieve all of their environmental goals by having the power to have all the solutions as opposed to the environment we have now, which restricts that innovation.

are you glad you took the job what's been most surprising for you since you've been in the role well i'm i'm having a blast uh and i'm thrilled to be in this position where we can have an impact you know you get up every day and it's a little bit like the old uh you know world war ii You know, Marines in the Pacific would say, you know, we're in a foxhole. We're in a foxhole. We're on a beach.

are you glad you took the job what's been most surprising for you since you've been in the role well i'm i'm having a blast uh and i'm thrilled to be in this position where we can have an impact you know you get up every day and it's a little bit like the old uh you know world war ii You know, Marines in the Pacific would say, you know, we're in a foxhole. We're in a foxhole. We're on a beach.

The bad news is, you know, we're surrounded. The good news is we can attack in any direction. And so every day you can get up and go make a difference in people's lives. And for anybody that's in tech or anybody that's listening, you know, that poo-poos public service, they ought to really think about the fact.

The bad news is, you know, we're surrounded. The good news is we can attack in any direction. And so every day you can get up and go make a difference in people's lives. And for anybody that's in tech or anybody that's listening, you know, that poo-poos public service, they ought to really think about the fact.

I mean, we need people that are, as Teddy Roosevelt said, that are willing to get in the arena because in these jobs that are – really purposeful. You can make a difference for a lot of people.

I mean, we need people that are, as Teddy Roosevelt said, that are willing to get in the arena because in these jobs that are – really purposeful. You can make a difference for a lot of people.

But what's surprising about the job was I knew that from a tech standpoint, because I lived through it eight years in North Dakota, where state government wasn't up to speed on just basic technology and basic business systems and all the things that that, uh, that, that reduce productivity and create, uh, I'll say agony for state or federal employees.

But what's surprising about the job was I knew that from a tech standpoint, because I lived through it eight years in North Dakota, where state government wasn't up to speed on just basic technology and basic business systems and all the things that that, uh, that, that reduce productivity and create, uh, I'll say agony for state or federal employees.

I mean, we, we asked them to do mind numbing and soul sucking work for like 20% of their time, uh, because we haven't given them the basic tools that everybody in the private sector has had. And so it's not like that anybody's bad, bad people, but you could get rid of 20% of this of the quote work by just bringing in the tools that are there.

I mean, we, we asked them to do mind numbing and soul sucking work for like 20% of their time, uh, because we haven't given them the basic tools that everybody in the private sector has had. And so it's not like that anybody's bad, bad people, but you could get rid of 20% of this of the quote work by just bringing in the tools that are there.

I mean, you could have 20% less people and then the people would have a more meaningful, more purposeful job.

I mean, you could have 20% less people and then the people would have a more meaningful, more purposeful job.

Yeah, all of those things. And so what I thought was it can't be worse than it was in North Dakota. And then I got into the, at least in the Department of Interior and we are, we are further behind. I mean, we're going to, you know, this is a, the land of, you know, decommissioning mainframes and then we could just, you know, take them straight to the Smithsonian, to the 1980s exhibit.

Yeah, all of those things. And so what I thought was it can't be worse than it was in North Dakota. And then I got into the, at least in the Department of Interior and we are, we are further behind. I mean, we're going to, you know, this is a, the land of, you know, decommissioning mainframes and then we could just, you know, take them straight to the Smithsonian, to the 1980s exhibit.

And David, I want to return that. I want to thank you and all your compatriots at All In because you're really allowing an opportunity for America to have a dialogue that goes deeper than the soundbite. And I think that all of you may underestimate the impact that All In has had.