Doug LaMaurice

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You're gathering info, Bill.

You're foraging.

right you're out there you're a gatherer you're scooping up stuff and we sometimes forget to get the baseline on things because we're going to the fifth step and it's like hold on a second and you did that i did do that i after mcarary was done i chatted with him for an extra two and a half minutes um because i don't believe we've ever asked him or matt patricia or tim walton

That's great information.

Is the reason that they call it the star because it's the fifth DB and a star has five points?

Oh, that wasn't some revelation by me.

You're like, yeah, Doug, five points on the star.

Great job.

But this goes back my first year covering Ohio State football.

I don't know if they had used the phrase before, but in 2005, Dante Wittner was the star.

And I had really not, I had not covered college football before.

And I was like, I love college football.

The star.

Like, it was like, you may as well call that position jazz hands.

I was like, let's go.

Dante Wittner's the star, and then Dante Wittner was a star.

And then there was like this thing that kind of had like this run of, well, maybe not a run, like of Glenville guys playing that spot, like Jermaine Hines was kind of that spot.

And it's interesting because back then,

That conjured to me that was a little more of a thumper.