Doug Lesmerises

Yeah, yeah.

Transcendent, period.

That's your lead, right?

Dateline Indianapolis, transcendent.

I'm Bill Landis.

I'm going to go with and this is we talk about this a lot.

It's like when you're sort of like the final evolution of a guy at Ohio State of sort of like, how could anyone be better than this guy?

And this is what I thought this guy was going to be.

And I still think coming out of college, this is how I would think of him.

And I would take Chase Young.

And that this guy of like this Ryan Day era, what he did in 2019, the way you thought about him when he came out in the draft in 2020, he was the defensive rookie of the year, his first season.

In his second season, he tore his ACL, tore his patella tendon.

It kind of screwed up two years of his career.

He got traded.

And then he had 10 sacks for New Orleans this year in 12 games.

And so I do think if I think about

Miles Garrett sets a very high bar.

I don't think Chase is maybe quite as bendy as Miles Garrett is, but that's kind of what I thought.

Like what Miles Garrett has been in the NFL or what like the very, very best edge rushers have been.

That's what I thought Chase Young was going to be.