Doug Lesmerises

Washington, we think, is in there.

Penn State, we think, is in there.

And Wisconsin's my dark horse.

Like, if Jade Maieva and USC knocks off one of the big three,

If they can steal a game here, steal a game there, I think this guy could be in the Heisman race.

I think if it all comes together, is USC all of a sudden has all this opportunity to do things that they control their own destiny in a lot of ways.

And I'm super curious about that.

And I feel like

we haven't talked a ton about Ohio state on this show and Ohio state is like still a dominant program in the nation.

Matt, do you think like if Julian say is just like, Oh, I got this in year two, I figured it out.

I have the best weapon in the country.

Like let's go.

Cause like we sort of thought like he had a good freshman year.

We thought maybe he'd elevate in the playoff.

He didn't, he didn't have a great game against Miami, but in year two for Julian saying who was the number one quarterback recruit in the country, a five-star guy, uh,

If it, like, all locks in for him, like, I'm very curious.

Could it just be a situation?

Because Dante Moore is the same thing, right?

There's multiple guys.

Like, Rocco Beck's the same thing you can find.