Doug Lesmerises

Did he make your list?

Okay.

And I just thought, again, and...

Whether this works out, what's the guy?

Who's the Ohio Mason Williams?

No.

Like Will Kazmarek just was, was decent like in year one.

And then in year two was quite a good football player and, and got hurt in year one, or maybe could have even shown more of that, but very clearly that he was a Mac player who was capable of playing at a, a top 10 program in the country.

And he,

There's a little bit of a conversation.

There's like another guy that I'm going to end up talking about later that like there's some moving parts at this position.

But he really helped them for two years.

And one year it was with G. Scott.

One year it was with Max Clare.

But in terms of, again, what would they have done without him?

They might have been in a little bit of a bind if they didn't have Will Kaczmarek on the roster the last two years.

I mean, if Luke Farrell could have a solid NFL career, can Will Kazmarek have a solid NFL career?

So my 10, 9, 8, 7, Lorenzo Stiles, Trey Sermon, Will Kazmarek, Josh Simmons.

Your 10, 9, 8, 7, Josh Simmons, Lorenzo Stiles, Seth McLaughlin, Will Kazmarek.

So we're up to number six for both of us.