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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I worry about the health of our families as the zone most responsible for developing, I think you called empathic attunement or resonance. But let me push back on one little piece. And that is religion throughout human history, really until kind of Christianity, involves sacrifice. And I would argue that Aaron talked about how the catharsis associated with scapegoating only lasts so long.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
The Aztecs perfected that. They understood that, and that's why they did it every day to keep the cohesion together. And then it seems like on some level, subconscious or otherwise, the Christians got it too, and their position was, we can stop all the sacrifice now because this one guy is sacrificed. One guy got sacrificed for you, and he is God's guy. Therefore, we only have to do this once.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And you can eat him and drink his blood every so often in this ritual, but it's still about sacrifice and still about scapegoating, isn't it, Matthias?
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I'm not hearing a clear solution from either of you. I'm hearing a dynamic that needs to be put in place, but I'm not hearing a solution. Is that because we don't have one? Aaron, you first.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
It's the Beatles answer. We'll call it the Beatles answer. So, but I'm looking for, you know, we're talking a lot about forces. And, Matthias, I'll get you to answer this question, too. They get put in place that are working against all this. What forces can we put solutions? What forces can we put in place to push things in the right direction?
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I mean, for instance, putting things in place that helps families stay together, helps families thrive, things like that. But, Matthias, you go ahead.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
All right, I want to give our guests their due here. I'm going to spend a little time introducing them so you understand who they are and where they have been. Matthias Desmet is a professor of psychology at the University of Ghent in Belgium. Author of The Psychology of Totalitarianism. Psychology of Totalitarianism. I suggest you read it.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I love it. I think... And I want to break it down a little bit and I will... Aaron, I've got to take a break and I will pick up right with your comment, okay? Write it down. Remember what you want to say. Don't leave me because I'm sure it's something significant. We'll be right back. You can follow Matthias on MatthiasDesmond.org. Also, X...
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Desmond Matias, Aaron Cariotti, and Aaron Cariotti, M-D-K-H-E-R-I-A-T-Y. The New Abnormal is his book. The Psychology of Totalitarianism is Desmond's. We'll be right back after this. The wellness company knows that taking charge of your family's health care is a top priority, and being rationally ready, who knows what the future will hold for us.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
All kinds of crazy things happening. All right, let's get back to this conversation. As I promised, Dr. Aaron Cariotti, psychiatrist, director of the program in bioethics and American democracy at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, Washington, D.C., and Matthias Desmet, who is a professor of psychology, University of Ghent in Belgium. Aaron, you were about to comment.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Desmond is the author of 100 peer-reviewed academic papers. In 2018, he received the Evidence-Based Psychoanalytic Case Study Prize, the Association for Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy. Follow him on X, Desmond Matias, M-A-T-T-I-A-S, and learn more about him at matiasdesmond.org. And Matias has been with us here before, as has Dr. Aaron Cariotti, never the two of them together.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
for this well it it's interesting it you know it starts with resentments and fear right and then the thing the people that talk about these these inventories will always joke about or sort of put it and it's it strikes as funny when they say yeah i hated this person uh you know she was whatever she was angry with me because well I had to have my quart of vodka every night.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Aaron is a psychiatrist, the director of the program of bioethics, and American Democracy at the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C. Author of The New Abnormal, The Rise of the Biomedical Security State. He was a teacher in the Department of Psychiatry at UC Irvine. He was the head of their bioethics committee.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
In other words, there I was in this equation every time. You know, I was resentful, but really when you get right down to it, there I was in the middle of it. You have to own your peace in a completely open and honest way. Yeah, and then it becomes kind of funny. It's like, oh shit, it's me after all. And that's what Desmond's talking about, and Matthias Desmond is talking about, is that it is...
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
us, really, and we're sort of disconnected from these primary affects. Tia, I want to ask you in your construct of the sort of pseudo, you know, the narcissistic shell you were talking about, Part of the problem, though, with getting people to understand that is a really significant disconnect from their primary affects.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
So when we talk about we want sincere speech, which I totally agree with you, and I know what you mean by that. A lot of people don't even know what you mean by that. We could say speaking from the heart. We could say all kinds of sort of things. A lot of people that have a narcissistic shell are really disconnected from their primary spontaneous affects.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And when he dared to raise his hand and said, you know, I've been preaching to our students for years that you must walk the walk. when a bioethical transgression occurs and is hard. He said, the time has arrived for me.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Now, you mentioned the propagandized masses. I want to drill on that a little bit. And forgive me, Aaron, I want to ask this of Matthias again, which is that you have theorized that about 20% of people get swept into these mass formations and the propaganda. 70% just want to be left alone to live their lives. And 10% throw the bullshit flag like the three of us. What the hell is going on here?
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
How do we get people to understand? This is kind of a different take on this topic because it seems to me a lot of the people with the residual aggression, a lot of the people I see celebrating the killer were in that 20% that got completely swept into violence. COVID and masking and distancing and all these things.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And how do we get them to have insight, to understand their liabilities so they don't get swept into these mass formations? I've been saying lately, if you're the person reporting your neighbor for having a party in 2020 because they were going to cause a mass outbreak, You would be a prison guard in Nazi Germany. You would not fight Hitler. You would be in the mass formation.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And of course, people never allow you to say that to them. How do we get them to understand what they're... Oh, Taylor Lorenz is a good example of this. Caleb put up Taylor Lorenz. who expressed joy at the, literally joy at the murder. And I thought, oh, she is a prison guard. She would be right in there with Goebbels and everybody. And she doesn't understand that. She thinks I'm a good person.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
This is hard for me to say, but you do not have the bioethical standing to mandate vaccines to our students, at which point he was immediately put on leave and eventually dismissed. This is an egregious transgression. He then went on to be one of the plaintiffs in Missouri versus Biden, which is still working its way through the courts.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I'm part of the side of right.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Doug Cariotti can be found at AaronCariotti.substack.com and also Aaron Cariotti, MD on X. Gentlemen, welcome to the program. Thanks, Drew. It's great to be with you. Thanks. And Matthias in Belgium. I know we'll get you late today. We appreciate you being here. Let's start. Susan, we're going to get into a little bit later this assassination of an insurance executive and people's reaction to it.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
It feels like Rumble and X are two platforms where you've been able to fight that back a little bit, and we should celebrate them because they've made a big difference. So we can stop this just short of the reign of terror, Aaron. Sounds a little dicey, but good. You know, it's funny.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I'm going to let you comment on what Mattia said, and I'm going to throw a little something more into the mix here. I was very preoccupied for some reason before COVID. I got very preoccupied with... changing people's minds. I was aware that something was going on, that people were getting weird in terms of their belief systems.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And I kept thinking to myself, how would I change a flat earther's point of view? There was a podcast around called You Are Not So Smart, where he too was just looking at and analyzing all these different theories about changing of minds. And the one thing, you know, he said exactly what Mattia said. You can't change their minds.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
In fact, if you change them in one area, they may double down on another. But the goal becomes changing their worldview. They have to be able to look at the world a little differently. I think... Did Matias say something exactly like that? No, but in line with the mass formation, that's what you said.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Very excited for today's show. It's a special time to accommodate Dr. Matthias Desmet. You can follow him on X at Desmet Matthias. He is an expert on mass formation and madness of crowd behavior and totalitarian psychology. He is a bioethicist and psychiatrist. His name is Dr. Aaron Cariotti. You can follow him at Aaron Cariotti, M-D-K-H-E-R-I-A-T-Y-M-D.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
The information has to be in line with the mass formation, but what can be out of line is if you not the information about the mass formation, but how do you feel about the world right now? And can we change that? Aaron, you go ahead.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I thought about going after Keith Oberman today, by the way, because I always liked Keith Oberman personally. And it's bizarre to me that he's attacking me. So I thought I might troll him and see what the crowd does, see what the mob does.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
But to me, it is just the latest manifestation of mass formation scapegoating. except that we have now graduated from the virtual scapegoating violence in social media, the cancellation scapegoating. Now we're actually graduating to the guillotines. We are actually now supporting or celebrating violent killing, which is the ultimate manifestation of mass formation.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And we're going to get into a lot of stuff here. The last time we were all together was in Pittsburgh at the Brownstone Institute. And Susan became enraptured by their conversation together. And these guys have their finger on the pulse of what we have been through and making sense of where we've been.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And that was the, I gotta tell you, that was the, that was the part that I found most challenging during the, the darker hours of the international mass formation, which was which side am I on the right side? Am I on the wrong side? Am I in the 20% or the 10%? I, it's hard to tell when it's underway because,
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
That's the Socratic method, that's the scientific method. And Matthias, I have been aware that irrational certitude has been afoot for quite some time. Is that part of this?
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
So we've finally gotten there. The answer is the pumpkin. Offer a pumpkin to your neighbor. And this is, we're finally, we got it. We're there. So, Matias, listen, I want to get an update from Aaron on his legal action. And I know it's like nine or God knows 10 o'clock at night where you are. You've been very, very generous with your time. And I appreciate you being here with us.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I think this has been very enlightening. I just love that we were able to walk through this. I really feel like we got kind of an encyclopedic survey of the scene here. I would suggest everybody do read The Psychology of Totalitarianism to really cement, there it is, cement this in your mind. Use it as a reference.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Everything we've talked about today is there, except the pumpkin part, which is what we arrived at. We've solved that one today. But Susan, anything before I let Dr. Desmet go? I like the pumpkin. Okay, good. I'm glad you like the pumpkin. Matias, I look forward to seeing you again soon. Pleasure.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
If you're in this country, if you're in this coast particularly, the two of you together, I hope you'll tour around and advocate on behalf of this solution because I hope people understand what we're talking about. To me, it's crystal clear, and you guys lay it out with great clarity.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Well, I bet he would love this conversation, actually. And he might have some interesting sort of anthropological kinds of ideas about how this has been around and how to actualize it. So, all right, Matias, thank you so much. I'm going to talk to Aaron for a few more minutes and we'll hope to see you again very soon.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I'm going to start with Matthias. Take it from there, if you would.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
You got it. So I want an update on what's going on with what used to be called Biden versus Missouri. Where are you guys? Can you give us an update? How's it going? What's going on with, does UC Irvine apologizing? Are they recognizing anything? Anybody? Well, you know why?
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I have the huevos to say that now because essentially Jay Bhattacharya, the new president, came in and said, we need to start talking. And then the ultimate poetic justice is now we have Jay as the head of the NIH. It's just like, oh my God, this is like a movie I'm watching. And I'm wondering if anything like that is happening with you.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Who knew this would be your life when you were back there at UC Irvine?
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And I hope the conversation that the three of us had shined a bright light on the importance of not allowing censorship to propagandize the masses because it doesn't go well. Please send all the information as it comes out to Michael Schallenberger so he can use his platform also to sort of push it out there. He has been remarkably effective at telling the stories of censorship and whatnot.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I hope we also do something with public health. That's the other thing that worries me. But I guess that's, I don't know, there's too many fronts. We got to fight so many battles on so many fronts. But the excesses of public health were also on full display during COVID. And I'm wondering what we're going to do about that one day.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I wasn't perfect. Exactly. We did our best, and we – you know found our way through but you know the excesses are really what we're pointing at
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Yeah, trying to change these agencies. Let me tell you, you'll appreciate this. He told me his first plan was to issue a RICO action against the pharmaceutical companies and the major medical publications because they are in all inclusion. Yeah, that's right. He's going to give them a chance to unravel it, but if they don't, he's going at them. And that's something he's really good at.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
So that's the kind of stuff he can start putting pressure to get this right. Listen, it's always a pleasure to see you. It was wonderful seeing you in Pittsburgh a couple weeks ago. And hopefully we'll run into you again very soon. All right. Sounds good. Thank you very much. Catholic Guide to Depression is one of the books. And the other book, Caleb, he had two books out, right?
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
The other was The New Abnormal, The Rise of the Biomedical Security State. So, and the Catholic Guide to the Depression. Again, a really good guest today, as always. I appreciate the bookings.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
That was your call, right? Susan was in Rapture. You can find their Brownstone lecture probably online, too.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I think it was the first day you attended. I think it was the second day of the event, I think. But you'll find them.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I know.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
This is an important conversation. We got to chop this one up and push it out on social because there's some real pearls those guys dropped today.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
There it is.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
I had to go find it. He didn't like my, he didn't like me on Hannity last night. Yeah. So whatever. Everybody, I'm getting so used to getting beaten up. I just.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Yeah, I made you sit in a van where I look a little wonky.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
Well, because I had a lot to say. And I said it all again on Will Kane's show today. We said it in some version today across this conversation. And it's, you know, we have three experts in here. We all agree this is not something subtle. You know, if you want to, you know, Rene Girard has a ton of material out there as a name we brought up today.
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
And he might be a little hard to penetrate for the average person. He has a very heavy French accent. I've been listening to his lectures in French lately. And they, you know, same as the English ones. He's a Stanford professor. Yeah, he's actually a literary critic from the literary criticism world. He's talking about how
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Mattias Desmet: The Madness Of Luigi Mangione Fan Worship & Modern Guillotine Spectacles w/ Dr. Aaron Kheriaty – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 436
get into conflict by having a mutual mimetic source of desire that's generated from each other. It's kind of a wild theory. But the scapegoating was a great insight and made sense to everyone who particularly deals with narcissism or unregulated aggression. All right, so can we put up the upcoming guest and we'll sign on out of here? Caleb has to get on the road in about six hours, so...
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Justin Hart in on the 17th. All about Caleb. Josh Bernstein, Seth Dillon gets sad. This was my wife's idea. She convinced me to get up at 4 a.m. Don't tell me your problem. Jeff Dye might have to be moved there a little bit. Salty Crackers coming back. Gad Saad and his sneaky effer theory. Can we say that actually? You heard of sneaky effer theory? Sneaky fucker.
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Sneaky fucker theory, which is that in zoological systems.
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Well, it's actually a term to describe what animals do to deal with an alpha male. They become sneaky fuckers. They pretend to be more feminine and sort of hang out with the females, and that's how they get to be a sneaky fucker.
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I saw that at the end of the month.
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And Aaron, does that surprise you? I mean, we certainly have been upside down morally and ethically in this country, and this is just evidence of it for me.
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And we have also the latest example of our psychological excesses with this assassination of an insurance executive and the extraordinary and bizarre reaction of some people. Stay with us right here after this. Our laws as it pertains to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this.
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It is... It's shocking to me because... Look, the whole thing has been shocking to me. I thought we... Matthias alerted me to the fact that I was wrong. This didn't end in the 20th century. I thought there was something that started in 1790 in France and it sort of hit a peak in the mid-20th century. Okay, we did that. Lo and behold...
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Now I find myself reading all the time about what you're saying, Aaron, is it happens all the time in human beings. In fact, I'm thinking about the movie Master and Commander with Russell Crowe where they suddenly hit, they're at sea and there's no wind and they all become paranoid and believe this one kid is the reason there's no wind and he kills himself. Yeah.
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or is going to be killed anyway if he doesn't kill himself. And then the wind comes back and they're all cathartists. There's been a catharsis. And Rene Girard does talk about a catharsis as well in some of this. That's right. Matias, I don't know if you, yeah, go ahead. You want to say something, Aaron? Go ahead.
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He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.
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I heard it used. I heard the word catharsis used a couple times on cable news. They said, whoa, people feel a catharsis. And I thought, you're not endorsing this behavior. That's a tragic, the tragedy that they're feeling this way.
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What do you say, Matthias? Extricate yourself, ourselves.
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