Dr. Barry Baines

This idea, I agree, is that we really, we think we're in control of things, but we're not.

And yet we influence everything because we're forever interacting.

And it's sounding like this adapt and adjust is a way to build up our resilience in the face of things.

So I'm not going to go on because we can be talking for another two hours here.

But just this was a wonderful conversation.

And thank you so much.

It's really...

Or should we just meditate?

Well, I'd say it is a lot to talk about, and so I'm going to ask you and Clarence to give me the high sign if I'm, you know, when you want me to stop.

No, I mean... Go ahead.

You know, because at once, and with, I mean, both of you have been...

involved in public health and community health for a long time.

And, you know, from my perch, I was more in the weeds in a sense, you know, that frontline seeing patients.

And prevent, you know, my perspective is that prevention is always the catch word for managing your health, but it's changed in a way

over time that offers both opportunities for people to manage their health better.

But the flip side of that is, is that the information can be so number one could be so overwhelming.

Okay, that

It's one thing to go to a grocery store and have to pick one of three different salsas for your chips.

And it's another thing when you go in and there's like 100 jars.

It's like it's overload and you get paralyzed at making decisions.