Dr. Ben Bikman

But those aren't cheap either.

So I'm very mindful of the financial constraints of the person who we may be fictionally talking about.

But I guess other than – that would be the only thing you could do.

If you could have a better in-home purifier, great.

But for the vast majority of people who couldn't even quantify their –

their pollution exposure, let alone afford an intervention to reduce it.

The good news is that's going to have a much lower effect than just changing your nutritional and exercise habits.

In fact, that's the new project that we're starting.

We have just what's preliminary data now.

When we look at the superheated particles, which is what you're inhaling,

We've we've finding we haven't published this yet.

So this is unpublished.

My master student is this is her thesis project right now.

So the data is forthcoming.

But the early data suggests that it's it actually at at a relatively controlled dose matching it for the cigarette smoke dose that we used previously.

It's worse.

Now, I can't speak to the consequences of the tumorigenesis effects, like maybe the person's going to have slightly better outcomes with cancer.

But when we're looking at forced, the outcome we've measured so far is mitochondrial outcomes, looking at the degree to which the mitochondria can take in oxygen and convert it to ATP, rather than the oxygen being converted into superoxide radical.

It's worse with the superheated particles from the vaping than from the cigarette smoke.

I don't know.