Dr. Ben Bikman

These other characters that are coming along with it help it behave and act in a way that we want it to act because it is everywhere.

It is ubiquitous.

And so I think where you and I would agree and maybe others would disagree, I don't have a fear of linoleic acid per se as an omega-6 insofar as it's gonna come in every natural source of fat that I'm eating.

But where earlier I'd said,

control carbs if you're controlling your carbs by and pardon me for repeating again not getting your carbs from bags and boxes with barcodes you've also eliminated essentially all of those refined seed oils from your diet too and that's why i also don't like getting caught up in the is it seed oil or carbs they always these refined carbs they always come together so as much as i am the guy who's saying well refined starches and sugars are a real problem and never someone else would say no it's the seed oils and i'd say you know what

Fine.

They're coming together anyway, because it's in that it's you opening up that pack of chips or treats or some refined snack that's going to have the first ingredient is going to be a starch.

That's it's the potato chip, you know, as it's been fried.

But what's it been fried in?

It's been fried in corn oil or whatever.

So you not only have a concentrated source of omega-6, but it's undergone this superheating, and now it's absolutely gone through some peroxidation.

So if the person's just eating whole fruits and vegetables and natural sources of fats and proteins, you're going to get linoleic acid, and I would say there's no reason to fear it.

I don't either.

Well, you'll get someone else on here who can articulate the seed oil point much more eloquently than I can.

Yeah, yeah.

So I absolutely... So there are people who would say, no, the fat is first when it becomes...

So what is the first domino?

If it's a sequence of tissues, which is the first to fall when it comes to here's the person healthy, here they're progressing through insulin resistance with type 2 diabetes being the most obvious outcome at the end of it?

What's the progression?

Some would say it's the liver.