Dr. Brian Keating

I've interviewed, you know, as I said, 22 Nobel Prizes, field medalists, you know, just the top people.

And I've interviewed and only a couple of them are really arrogant.

We'll describe why that is later and why that's necessary at some level, but can be dangerous and too large an amount.

But then I've interviewed other people that aren't, you know, that are just normal scientists or thought leaders or whatever.

And guess what, some of them are arrogant you know what's and some of them are very humble.

But the people I resonate most with are the people that are humble.

If you have somebody who's just got one message and never changes and cannot ever tolerate even dissent and tries to shut it down, then I don't have so much respect for you.

Whereas if you're willing ironically to say I'm wrong or I know I could be wrong or admit the possibility,

about something, especially when it's not even in your field of expertise, then I have more respect for you, even though, you know, naively, a kid, like a child might say, well, why do you respect someone who admits they don't know something?

That's a childlike way of looking at wisdom, right?

So I'll give you an example, Sam Harris.

So I had Sam Harris on.

And by the way, Ryan, you're, you know, this incredibly accomplished podcaster.

When you're on a podcast, forget about me, I'm not looking for compliments or anything.

But when you're on a podcast live, like we're talking live right now, it's actually happening.

How do you know if you're doing a good job or a bad job?

Do you have any cues?

I'm curious as a podcaster myself, I have some cues, but how do you know that you're doing a good job?

It's a good podcast.

Or if you're just kind of, or if you or the guest is not bringing the heat.