Dr. Cal Newport

So I learned a lot from that.

This actually led to a bit of a battle because my readers – there was this battle that emerged where people were trying to combine Anders Ericsson and deliberate practice.

With Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi and flow.

And really they were trying to make flow apply everywhere.

Like it's all about flow.

Deliberate practice is flow.

Everything is flow.

The whole thing is to get into a state of flow.

And I remember Anders talking about this at some point and saying like, no, no, no.

Like the state of practice that makes you better.

It's the opposite of flow.

In flow, you lose track of time.

When you're practicing like that professional guitar player, you know every second it passes by because it's like incredibly difficult.

Like what you're doing, your mind is rebelling.

It's not natural.

It's not fun.

It's not the skier going down the hill and it's all instinct.

It's all you thinking about exactly what you're trying to do.

And so, you know, I began to push this point out here.

It's like it's not all about flow.