Dr. Cal Newport

And part of it was just the technology involved, right?

So if we're in the office together and I have a relatively quick thing to talk to you about, I can just grab you and we can talk about this.

And the footprint is going to be five minutes.

But it's not just that it's five minutes.

It's five well-allocated minutes because I'm probably going to use the social cues of your door is open or you're going to get coffee anyways, right?

In the Zoom era, instead we would say, well, we should set up a meeting.

Because we have to talk about this.

But if you think about a standard online calendar, it's difficult to have a meeting that's less than 30 minutes long.

I mean, you just have to drag it.

I mean, 30 minutes is like the default smallest length meeting.

So we're taking a lot of informal back and forth and inflating the time.

I think that was part of it.

So we just had too much Zoom going on, right?

If it was just, I do one meeting a week.

Now it's on Zoom.

It used to be in person.

We were all on Zoom.

We used to all be in person.

That's not that big of a deal.

It's maybe like a slightly less effective meeting, but it's fine.