Dr. Cal Newport

Yeah, you could be, we're keeping track of these things, right?

Yeah, well, I mean, I'm a big believer in this.

And then everyone can see what you're working on.

And then, but the key thing is, if it's not in your active list, you don't have meetings about it.

And you don't have emails about it, right?

Like if people have ideas or things, they just add it to the card.

So when that gets up to the active list,

We can work on all the information there.

We haven't forgotten anything.

I called it a pull-based.

Pull-based, right.

What gets pulled up?

You pull into the... So you're fixing in advance, here's how much concentration I have to give on work, and you pull stuff into that.

The alternative is push-based.

which is how most organizations run, which is when I want you to do something, I just push it onto you and now you have to deal with it.

This is what a lot of the advice in one of the chapters of the new book is basically, how do you get away with implementing this?

And when you have a boss and there's like all sorts of different, so you're your own boss.

So you can just say, this is what we're doing.

Here's the board, but there's a lot of like subtle ways you can do this.

Yeah.