Dr. Carl Erik Fisher

But very, very few people are going to a formal treatment center for it.

Very, very few people are going to a 12-step group.

All those exist.

There are 12-step recovery organizations for video game problems.

There are 12-step groups.

There was a Bloggers Anonymous back in the earlier days of the internet.

There are many, many 12-step groups.

Addicted to blogging.

People who thought that they spent too much time, they couldn't get off WordPress.

There's a saying in addiction psychotherapy that behaviors make sense.

And I think this is really useful, both for getting a handle on what the problem is.

Yeah, I like it.

Okay.

Yeah, because the rational analytic part of our mind is often telling us, oh, it doesn't make sense.

You shouldn't do that.

Should, should, should, should, should.

But in any sort of habitual problematic behavior, if I'm going to put a very neutral descriptive term on it, people are...

Seeking something, consciously, unconsciously.

And behaviors make sense in the sense of, say, substance use problems, where there can be many different functions that people are trying to fulfill with alcohol use, right?

Like some people do it to feel better because they feel pain, but some people do it to fit in.