Dr. Christof (Christoph) Koch

Dr. Christophe Koch, welcome.

Thank you for having me, Andrew.

It's been a pleasure.

It's been a...

Do you hear me?

Mm-hmm.

Do you hear me?

Yes.

Do you see me?

Yes.

The fact that you hear, not that you respond to my sound by moving your hand, the fact that you see, not the fact that you can navigate around this room, but you actually have a picture in your head.

The fact that you love, the fact that you hate, the fact that you dream, that you imagine, that you dread, those are all conscious experience.

It's the stuff of life, literally.

If I give you a billion dollars, okay, that even for you is probably a meaningful amount of money.

Okay, but there's a slight, you know, there's this thing that I'm going to remove all your conscious experiences.

So you would still love and hate and drive cars and do everything else you do right now, but there would be no light.

There wouldn't be any Andrew.

Would you take that wager?

Well, the difference is between those two states is consciousness.

So without it, you don't exist for yourself.