Dr. Christof (Christoph) Koch

That may not even relate to you.

You just feel something there without assigning it, well, that's my body.

That is, again, it's another conscious experience.

Well, you could also be simply not there at all.

Where Andrew isn't there, the cell, the one that carries your traits and your personality, your memories, but you're still conscious.

I'm interested in all these different states of consciousness because it's all, I mean, it's dominated by everyday waking consciousness.

But as you said, that's all about doing, right?

You walk, you run, you shop, you look around, you talk to people.

But there are all these other states that don't involve the William James Times dreams of consciousness, but they are all conscious experiences.

And so the more we know about them in the physiological basis, the better we can describe and delimit what consciousness is and what is it not.

So, for instance, to your point, it's consciousness is not specific.

Primary doing.

Of course we can do things, right?

We do it all the time.

That's how we make a living.

But consciousness is really more about being.

It's a state of being.

And by the way, that's also why computers, they can do everything we can do, but they can't be what we are conscious.

Please elaborate on that.

We confound consciousness and behavior because we talk, we're speaking apes, right?