Dr. Clayton Baker

Well, I would say two things. Number one, I would say that there's a ton of blame to go around. So I would be disinclined to put all the blame in one court. I think that in terms of the release and exactly what happened on the ground in Wuhan, I don't call into question anything that Dr. Limeng is saying. And incidentally, it's very nice to meet you.

Well, I would say two things. Number one, I would say that there's a ton of blame to go around. So I would be disinclined to put all the blame in one court. I think that in terms of the release and exactly what happened on the ground in Wuhan, I don't call into question anything that Dr. Limeng is saying. And incidentally, it's very nice to meet you.

I've seen you before and I admire your courage and so on. So thank you. I would say that there's a long trail, though, a long paper trail, a long money trail that goes back through Wuhan.

I've seen you before and I admire your courage and so on. So thank you. I would say that there's a long trail, though, a long paper trail, a long money trail that goes back through Wuhan.

NIAID that goes through Ralph Baric's lab, that goes through the Rocky Mountain lab with Vincent Munster, and that of course goes through Ralph, excuse me, with Peter Daszak and EcoHealth Alliance, that goes back probably to like 2004, 2005. And so I think it's

NIAID that goes through Ralph Baric's lab, that goes through the Rocky Mountain lab with Vincent Munster, and that of course goes through Ralph, excuse me, with Peter Daszak and EcoHealth Alliance, that goes back probably to like 2004, 2005. And so I think it's

I think that they're dangerous people, and I think they may have been played to a certain extent by the Chinese authorities, but I think that they're more than useful idiots. I think that there was deliberate nature of the work that they were doing. For me, the smoking gun in the paper trail is that defused trial, which of course was the 2018 trial.

I think that they're dangerous people, and I think they may have been played to a certain extent by the Chinese authorities, but I think that they're more than useful idiots. I think that there was deliberate nature of the work that they were doing. For me, the smoking gun in the paper trail is that defused trial, which of course was the 2018 trial.

The 2018 proposal that was sent to, I think it was sent to DARPA and was refused by DARPA by Barrick and a number of other people. And what they were looking to do was to communicate. collaborate with the Chinese, including Dr. Xi, to aerosolize coronavirus vaccines that they could administer to bats, at least ostensibly.

The 2018 proposal that was sent to, I think it was sent to DARPA and was refused by DARPA by Barrick and a number of other people. And what they were looking to do was to communicate. collaborate with the Chinese, including Dr. Xi, to aerosolize coronavirus vaccines that they could administer to bats, at least ostensibly.

Now, technically, DARPA turned down that requested grant, but there's some evidence that people...

Now, technically, DARPA turned down that requested grant, but there's some evidence that people...

have put out, a lot of it's on Substack right now, people like Will Jones and Jim Haslam, that Barrick and Munster may have gone ahead with this research anyway, and that this was a large part of what may have contributed to the final product virus that was the one that was deployed in Wuhan in late 2019.

have put out, a lot of it's on Substack right now, people like Will Jones and Jim Haslam, that Barrick and Munster may have gone ahead with this research anyway, and that this was a large part of what may have contributed to the final product virus that was the one that was deployed in Wuhan in late 2019.

Yeah, just to clarify, that's Willie Bergdorfer, Dr. Drew. And that was at the Plum Island lab in Long Island. And that's where they were working on weaponizing Borrelia Bergdorferi, which, as you know, is the spirochete that causes Lyme disease. and they were weaponizing ticks to supposedly infect the Russian livestock.

Yeah, just to clarify, that's Willie Bergdorfer, Dr. Drew. And that was at the Plum Island lab in Long Island. And that's where they were working on weaponizing Borrelia Bergdorferi, which, as you know, is the spirochete that causes Lyme disease. and they were weaponizing ticks to supposedly infect the Russian livestock.

And the overwhelming evidence is that those ticks got out and got across Long Island Sound. If you look on the map right across Long Island Sound, you've got Lyme, Connecticut, and the rest is history.

And the overwhelming evidence is that those ticks got out and got across Long Island Sound. If you look on the map right across Long Island Sound, you've got Lyme, Connecticut, and the rest is history.

And the other thing that I was doing a little bit of background reading on that again in preparation for today's talk. And I realized that there's actually a school of thought that's very concerned that a lot of the Lyme symptoms that, you know, because there is this long, you know, complicated tertiary Lyme kind of syndrome that a lot of people suffer from.

And the other thing that I was doing a little bit of background reading on that again in preparation for today's talk. And I realized that there's actually a school of thought that's very concerned that a lot of the Lyme symptoms that, you know, because there is this long, you know, complicated tertiary Lyme kind of syndrome that a lot of people suffer from.