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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Sat, 31 May 2025
Whose lab created SARS-CoV-2? Virologist Dr. Li-Meng Yan says it was “all China.” But Dr. Clayton Baker insists US biolabs at UNC Chapel Hill played a role. A new Brownstone report points at “US virologist Ralph Baric” and alleges damning details that indicate he “engineered the Covid-19 virus SARS-CoV-2 in his lab at the University of North Carolina as part of his work in connection with the 2018 DEFUSE funding proposal” first leaked by “Major Joseph Murphy, an employee of US military research agency DARPA, in the summer of 2021…” Dr. Li-Meng Yan is a Chinese virologist with an MD from Central South University and PhD in ophthalmology from Southern Medical University. She hosts The Voice of Dr. Yan on America Out Loud Radio Network and is best known for publishing claims that SARS-CoV-2 originated in a Chinese lab. More at https://x.com/DrLiMengYAN1 Dr. Clayton Baker, an internal medicine physician, has over 25 years in clinical practice. He served as Clinical Associate Professor at the University of Rochester from 2012 to 2018. His work appears in the Journal of the American Medical Association and the New England Journal of Medicine. He authored The Medical Masquerade and contributes to Brownstone Institute. More at https://x.com/cjbakermd 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at https://drdrew.com/skinrepair • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
What is the source of COVID-19 according to Dr. Li-Meng Yan?
Were you ever somebody that needed to be sanctioned or disciplined in any way prior to the COVID era?
No, I was pretty traditional, really. I was, you know, I was always a bit independent-minded, but very traditional overall.
Yeah, yeah. So I'm imagining that never. Because I could see your thinking and I could intuit your training and point of view and stuff. I thought, okay, I understand this guy.
You know, bubble-free record and pretty straightforward, very traditional views. I was never sent to a re-education camp at any time.
Until, until. So you started putting essays. How did your peers react to all that?
Well, I first got into the whole COVID kerfuffle very early on more to do with the school closures. I had three kids in school at the time and I saw immediately just how egregious the whole school closure situation was and just how the kids were being just systematically victimized, you know, at a, at a, you know, sort of industrial scale. And I,
Thinking who it is, Robert Zweig or someone has put out a book just now, An Abundance of Caution, which is a great new book about all the school closures and the harms that came from that. But anyway, that was how I cut my teeth in this. And I was one of the people at the school board meetings as a physician.
I was in high demand because nobody else would say anything where I was trying to say, you know, they're not doing this in other countries. They're having no problems. COVID ignores children. You got to get schools open. It was really just banging my head against the wall.
But the teachers, but the teachers and we need plexiglass and the teachers and we need gloves and we need plexiglass. These insane things that were said. I mean, I hope people understand they were hysteria, insane, delusional, way outer space as opposed to listening to a a skilled internist with years of experience going, you weren't saying, you know, everybody go ahead and get COVID.
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