Dr. Clayton Baker
Appearances
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
I think that they're dangerous people, and I think they may have been played to a certain extent by the Chinese authorities, but I think that they're more than useful idiots. I think that there was deliberate nature of the work that they were doing. For me, the smoking gun in the paper trail is that defused trial, which of course was the 2018 trial.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
The 2018 proposal that was sent to, I think it was sent to DARPA and was refused by DARPA by Barrick and a number of other people. And what they were looking to do was to communicate. collaborate with the Chinese, including Dr. Xi, to aerosolize coronavirus vaccines that they could administer to bats, at least ostensibly.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Now, technically, DARPA turned down that requested grant, but there's some evidence that people...
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
have put out, a lot of it's on Substack right now, people like Will Jones and Jim Haslam, that Barrick and Munster may have gone ahead with this research anyway, and that this was a large part of what may have contributed to the final product virus that was the one that was deployed in Wuhan in late 2019.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Yeah, just to clarify, that's Willie Bergdorfer, Dr. Drew. And that was at the Plum Island lab in Long Island. And that's where they were working on weaponizing Borrelia Bergdorferi, which, as you know, is the spirochete that causes Lyme disease. and they were weaponizing ticks to supposedly infect the Russian livestock.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
And the overwhelming evidence is that those ticks got out and got across Long Island Sound. If you look on the map right across Long Island Sound, you've got Lyme, Connecticut, and the rest is history.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
And the other thing that I was doing a little bit of background reading on that again in preparation for today's talk. And I realized that there's actually a school of thought that's very concerned that a lot of the Lyme symptoms that, you know, because there is this long, you know, complicated tertiary Lyme kind of syndrome that a lot of people suffer from.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
It may be really due more to babesiosis and Rocky Mountain spotted fever, which they were also concerned. supposedly monkeying around within that lab at the same time. So it may be sort of a hodgepodge of things that people sometimes are afflicted with when they get these deer tick bites. So just crazy stuff. And I would just say this is circumstantial evidence to be sure.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
But this is just one more example of the United States government. The United States military has a long and deplorable history of weapons research going back to World War II. And a lot of these terrible things that have happened, RSV, Lyme, as we discussed, both are basically lab accidents or lab leaks from the United States military.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
So we have a proud history of afflicting the world with terrible illnesses due to our fooling around with pathogens.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Yeah, the lesson I took away in terms of our government from COVID was how dangerously close we came to what Dr. Li Ming is describing over in China. Now, there was more than one person who expressed admiration in our public health community superstructure during COVID about the ability of the Chinese to simply lock down society 100%.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
The notion of civil rights, the notion of civil liberties seem to be null and void. I think we came very dangerously close to heading in that direction. And I think that's a real lesson. We have checks and balances in our country. But I think that we came very dangerously close to losing a lot of those.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
When you saw the degree of censorship that we underwent in the social media world, we were marginalized. I mean, I was absolutely marginalized in terms of being able to get a message out to people. You know, I had two friends who were arrested during COVID for protesting the masking and social distancing in schools in upstate New York.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Two of them, one of them for not wearing the mask properly at a school board meeting and one for not wearing a mask at a baseball game outdoors and refusing to put one on.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
So, you know, we're really not that far away. You know, we I had a standoff with our superintendent and he chose to eat a few other people and he chose to cancel the meeting rather than have us arrested. This is in Rochester, New York. This isn't, you know. This isn't where you would think this type of stuff was going on, but it was going on.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
And so we were dangerously close to something very, very much like a sort of a soft core version of what Dr. Li Ming describes and what she lived through in China. So I think that, you know, you have to be a little bit ungovernable after what we went through and a little bit more unwilling to simply fall in line. I think that's an important lesson.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
I appreciate what she's saying, but as an American who operates under the notion that the Bill of Rights is in effect, how many parts of the Bill of Rights were just tossed out the window during the lockdowns? Certainly, to a large extent, the First Amendment was. And certainly freedom of worship, freedom of ability to assemble. This was really just torched.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
And we have to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Well, the only, I think that I would defer, again, defer to her on her knowledge of the Chinese Communist Party and what happened specifically in Wuhan. I would ask her though, I think that there's more collaboration going on with people in the West with the Chinese than perhaps she appreciates. I know that when the event 201 took place in October of 2019,
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
which was, it started this, this was the tabletop exercise that Bill Gates ran and the WEF ran. Yeah, I think it was October 18th, 2019, the same day that the world military games were kicking off in Wuhan. And of course, sometime after the virus had been released, my understanding is George Gao was, who's the head of the CDC in China was at that meeting.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Now, I'm sorry, there's something going on there, and there's a collusion going on there if one of the leading people in the Chinese government, Chinese health department head, is at that meeting with people saying, how do we lock people down just in case there's a coronavirus outbreak?
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Yeah. I'm concerned about the cancer situation as well. Personally, I think more of it is coming from long vax, if you will, than from long COVID. That's my personal feeling. I think that there's probably, well, there's certainly potentially two or three or maybe more mechanisms by which the cancer increase may be that seems to be happening that I think is happening is being observed.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
One of them is we do know that there were bad batches of the vaccine that had larger amounts of contaminated DNA in them, which was likely a part of the problem. I do think there is also a immunosuppressive effect, which a lot of people have hypothesized as well.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
And, you know, as we all know, you know, we all know, everyone knows that the immune system is there to destroy pathogens that are external to the body. But we're all learning now as we all get a long, hard lesson in immunology and in physiology and pathophysiology through COVID that it's also very important in identifying early cancers and removing them from the body.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
So I think that there is both progressive, possibly more than one immunosuppressive mechanism going on here, as well as the problem with The contaminated DNA, SB40 or otherwise, which we're seeing as well. So it's a very concerning thing. What I tell people is, look, if you got the shots, I don't recommend any more to my patients by any means. And if you're doing well, you're doing well.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
But if you are having symptoms, if you are finding that you have symptoms of long vax or long COVID, seek out one of the protocols. The Independent Medical Alliance, the old FLCCC, has some good options for that.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
I would just say thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to always to talk with you, Dr. Drew. Pleasure to meet you, Dr. Young. And I just think, honestly, I think there's plenty of blame to go around. I appreciate the concern about the CCP, and I don't question that in the least. But I think there's a lot of bad actors that we still need to see some accountability in the United States.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
One thing I learned from COVID was You know, people, the old adage that you never assume malice when incompetence explains behavior, I think is cover for a lot of malice. And I think that that's something we have to be very careful to be aware of.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Oh, thank you very much, Drew. It's really nice of you to give me the shameless plug. So the book Medical Masquerade is a collection of the essays I wrote from the beginning of the COVID era until now. almost the present. And I did a lot of my writing for Roundstone Institute, and they were kind enough to help me compile that and annotate it in places and put it out as a volume.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
So as you said, number one kind of has an element of evolution of thought, but also has a variety of different topics relevant to COVID and the abuses thereof over time.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Hopefully people will find it worthwhile.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
No, I was pretty traditional, really. I was, you know, I was always a bit independent-minded, but very traditional overall.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
You know, bubble-free record and pretty straightforward, very traditional views. I was never sent to a re-education camp at any time.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Well, I first got into the whole COVID kerfuffle very early on more to do with the school closures. I had three kids in school at the time and I saw immediately just how egregious the whole school closure situation was and just how the kids were being just systematically victimized, you know, at a, at a, you know, sort of industrial scale. And I,
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Thinking who it is, Robert Zweig or someone has put out a book just now, An Abundance of Caution, which is a great new book about all the school closures and the harms that came from that. But anyway, that was how I cut my teeth in this. And I was one of the people at the school board meetings as a physician.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
I was in high demand because nobody else would say anything where I was trying to say, you know, they're not doing this in other countries. They're having no problems. COVID ignores children. You got to get schools open. It was really just banging my head against the wall.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Right, and it was terrible. I mean, the toll is still there for a lot of the kids, you know, and now, oh, we have this terrible mental health issue. We have these terrible learning losses. We have this whole generational problem aside from the vaccine toxicity.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
And, you know, it's the notion that this was what did it or the notion that there's some lesson to be learned just seems to escape people just like the insanity of the whole process while it was taking place escaped them.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
Well, I would say two things. Number one, I would say that there's a ton of blame to go around. So I would be disinclined to put all the blame in one court. I think that in terms of the release and exactly what happened on the ground in Wuhan, I don't call into question anything that Dr. Limeng is saying. And incidentally, it's very nice to meet you.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
I've seen you before and I admire your courage and so on. So thank you. I would say that there's a long trail, though, a long paper trail, a long money trail that goes back through Wuhan.
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Whose Biolab Made COVID-19: China’s Wuhan Institute Of Virology or USA’s UNC Chapel Hill? Dr. Li-Meng Yan Debates Dr. Clayton Baker – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 487
NIAID that goes through Ralph Baric's lab, that goes through the Rocky Mountain lab with Vincent Munster, and that of course goes through Ralph, excuse me, with Peter Daszak and EcoHealth Alliance, that goes back probably to like 2004, 2005. And so I think it's