Dr. Cogswell
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first heard Mar 2025
last heard May 2025
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In this case, it turns out it was exactly the same way.
But
So each of those bags is cut off, removed, and that reveals the body of a young woman who is in a fetal position, has no clothing on the top half of her body, and is shackled and handcuffed.
And we know about size.
So in a person who is the size of Jasmine Pace, just under 100 pounds,
That's sufficient to cause death.
Until you have found all that blood, you don't really know where the bleeding occurred.
In the position the suitcase is right now, her body is with the head upward, facing toward the courtroom. Thank you. Sir, I'm now showing you 2032. Could you orient us to this photo, please? This photo is moving over a little bit to, if I could point the suitcase to this area here. that were x-rayed.
And here we have a knee.
You can see the kneecap here and the lower leg, the shin, and the fibula that goes along with it. This is the thigh bone. Here you see a hand, or the bones of a hand, and you can see the top of the skull as well here. Now two, three, three. And we're moving downward on the suitcase in basically counterclockwise fashion to this area down toward the wheel on the side closest to the courtroom. And
We see, again, that reinforcing rib, zippers, rivets, etc. But we also see handcuffs and shackles, as well as another metallic device here, which is actually a bracelet. But you can see on this one, there is a chain that extends here, and there is no chain coming off of this particular one. And we're down here two feet. These are the foot bones, feet and ankle bones down here.
So we have forearm here, two forearm bones, and arm and forearm bones here. And so we're down here. This is her buttocks. Two, three, four, sir. And we're moving over, obviously, to the last part, which is down here. And again, we have all the hardware of the suitcase. We see a bit of pelvis bone here, the lumbar spine here. Again, one of those shackles that we saw in the previous x-ray.
And so we have basically, by going counterclockwise, we have a complete picture of a small, male or female, still inside the suitcase, still inside those black plastic bags.
They are still wrapped in the surgical towel that came from the medical examiner's office. Again, these are not the typical law enforcement handcuffs. They're simply cheap steel, chrome plated. Thank you. Are those the same cuffs that you saw on the screen? Yes, sir. That's correct. It's the same cuffs that you can see here. Here's the right hand, right foot.
In the case of the shackles, it was not to the left arm, but it was to the right elbow or forearm just below the elbow. So her left hand and arm were actually free. They were not bound. I'm sure when you made his evidence, his 204-19, could you tell us what was on the ice in the snow ground? This is Jasmine Pace's right elbow area. You can see this with the tattoo on her shoulder.
This is her actual elbow here. And you can see two lines of rust, basically, along with the pattern of that chain, again, with a rust pattern showing where the shackle was. And in fact, you can see, I think, where the double part of the shackle is over here, right at the inside part of the elbow.
Is there any medical significance to the stain that we see in item 127? to the physical evidence that we have as 158 at Harvard? When I first saw this photograph, it immediately struck me, and I think I actually blurted out, that looks like a Shroud of Turin. And what I saw here was basically a recreation of the bloodstain pattern, or a bloodstain pattern that I would expect to see
if someone is bleeding in that fetal position that we saw, because we have the feet and legs down here with the knees drawn up, arm down here, other arm here, head here. Now, obviously it's not exact because it's being absorbed and spread a little bit, but the shape is very, very consistent with not only the positioning of Jasmine Pacey's body, but also the size of her body.
And so if we look at the size of her body, the positioning of her body, and look at the stain, they overlay fairly well. Actually, very well. Now, can I say that's absolutely her body? No, I don't know what. testing was done to match that to her. The staining is extremely consistent with her body as found.
At the end of your testimony there, you talked about how long Jasmine may have been alive. Well, it sounded like more than three seconds, and the father less than five. Is that fair to say? That's fair, yes. But that's the time of death. That time of unconsciousness could be different. Well, in fact, she may have been unconscious before she was stabbed. There's no way to tell that from an autopsy.
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