Dr. Daniel Kruger

And that's really what we're trying to do through the many modules that we have.

I would say so.

I want to get Jared jumping in here, but I would say so.

I think it's also about how do we productively create conflict.

It's not all about getting rid of it.

It's about figuring out how do we actually create meaningful tension and then have processes to de-escalate things.

part of what happens when we stand up for our perspectives or we try to advocate for change is we create tension.

And that's very productive force that we need to learn how to work with.

And so part of the course also gives students some tools about how can they mobilize some of, how can they work productively with tension to be change makers?

Well, I think that the first pathway through this stuff is relationships.

We have to have curiosity about other people.

And that's the first step to healing some of these divisions is actually taking time to get to know what other people care about beyond their positions.

And part of the course is about that.

How do we practice those human skills?

My voice, I'm lucky I have a voice.

I woke up this morning and said, where the heck was it?

You know, I'm speaking like a frog here.

But let's do this.

You know, there's more than just sitting back and saying, how does that make you feel?

Yeah, I feel like Frasier Crane when I... When listening?