Dr. David Burns

And now I'm going to coach people and I'm going to charge them $200 an hour. And I've heard people say, Oh yeah, I went through a divorce. It was really high conflict. I learned so much from it. Now I'm going to coach people how to get through their divorce. And I'm going to charge a ton of money for that. And yeah,

And now I'm going to coach people and I'm going to charge them $200 an hour. And I've heard people say, Oh yeah, I went through a divorce. It was really high conflict. I learned so much from it. Now I'm going to coach people how to get through their divorce. And I'm going to charge a ton of money for that. And yeah,

I have difficulty with people because they want to coach through their personal experience instead of through training and knowledge.

I have difficulty with people because they want to coach through their personal experience instead of through training and knowledge.

And so that's my struggle when I hear the word coach. Like, what is someone getting? I know when someone is getting... hopefully a licensed mental health professional, that they've gone through some ethics, that they know about boundaries, that they have some basic level of training and education.

And so that's my struggle when I hear the word coach. Like, what is someone getting? I know when someone is getting... hopefully a licensed mental health professional, that they've gone through some ethics, that they know about boundaries, that they have some basic level of training and education.

I also have to say, I don't think all therapists, especially team CBT therapists, are getting bogged down in unanswerable questions like what has caused their depression, but are really focused on the here and now because that's part of

I also have to say, I don't think all therapists, especially team CBT therapists, are getting bogged down in unanswerable questions like what has caused their depression, but are really focused on the here and now because that's part of

cognitive behavioral therapy and team therapy in particular so i don't want to throw water on this fire and this really exciting topic but there's to me there's another side of it absolutely i think that's a really important point and something that i you know i try to deal with at length when i'm teaching coaching for sure because um

cognitive behavioral therapy and team therapy in particular so i don't want to throw water on this fire and this really exciting topic but there's to me there's another side of it absolutely i think that's a really important point and something that i you know i try to deal with at length when i'm teaching coaching for sure because um

I'm sorry, I think you forgot to correctly name it. Did you mean to say sleazy gurus?

I'm sorry, I think you forgot to correctly name it. Did you mean to say sleazy gurus?

There are training programs you can sign up for. And in all fairness, I would say that my view of licensed mental health professionals is the same as what you've described, Rhonda. It consists of cults. with gurus who were the cult leaders. We call them the great people in the history of psychiatry and psychology.

There are training programs you can sign up for. And in all fairness, I would say that my view of licensed mental health professionals is the same as what you've described, Rhonda. It consists of cults. with gurus who were the cult leaders. We call them the great people in the history of psychiatry and psychology.

But I've mentioned on many occasions I had the honor of sitting next to Albert Ellis a few times at conferences generally in his honor. And because I admired him, they would often seat me next to him. And he kind of liked me because he was a little narcissistic himself. And he knew I liked him, so he liked me.

But I've mentioned on many occasions I had the honor of sitting next to Albert Ellis a few times at conferences generally in his honor. And because I admired him, they would often seat me next to him. And he kind of liked me because he was a little narcissistic himself. And he knew I liked him, so he liked me.

But he used to tell me about all the great people in the history of psychiatry and psychology. And he knew most of them in the 20th century because he was really doing his thing in the 1950s. And he said, David, you know, they're all a bunch of charlatans and frauds and psychos and narcissistic psychopaths who lie and take advantage. And their followers believe things just like cult followers.

But he used to tell me about all the great people in the history of psychiatry and psychology. And he knew most of them in the 20th century because he was really doing his thing in the 1950s. And he said, David, you know, they're all a bunch of charlatans and frauds and psychos and narcissistic psychopaths who lie and take advantage. And their followers believe things just like cult followers.

And when I first heard him say that, I was pretty darn shocked. And then I thought of the famous ones that I knew personally. And I thought, my gosh, this is really true. And that's why I've personally been trying to develop a science-based, data-driven science of psychotherapy that...

And when I first heard him say that, I was pretty darn shocked. And then I thought of the famous ones that I knew personally. And I thought, my gosh, this is really true. And that's why I've personally been trying to develop a science-based, data-driven science of psychotherapy that...