Dr. David Burns

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Yeah. So just to comment for our listeners, uh, you, you, you went through the outcome resistance, uh, and now you're switching to the process resistance, working on those two motivational dimensions. The first was, uh, Would you want to get your emotions down to a lower level given that they show so many beautiful things about you?

Yeah. So just to comment for our listeners, uh, you, you, you went through the outcome resistance, uh, and now you're switching to the process resistance, working on those two motivational dimensions. The first was, uh, Would you want to get your emotions down to a lower level given that they show so many beautiful things about you?

And you mentioned externalization of resistance, which you could have done too, kind of like externalization of voices. Try to goad Rhonda into, well, gosh, maybe it's not such a good idea because then you're going to maybe get on a bridge and it's going to collapse. And as the Buddha so often said, that sucks. Yeah.

And you mentioned externalization of resistance, which you could have done too, kind of like externalization of voices. Try to goad Rhonda into, well, gosh, maybe it's not such a good idea because then you're going to maybe get on a bridge and it's going to collapse. And as the Buddha so often said, that sucks. Yeah.

And then having gone through the outcome resistance, now the process resistance is, well, in order to be able to drive wherever you want, there's going to be a certain price to pay in terms of exposure and discomfort.

And then having gone through the outcome resistance, now the process resistance is, well, in order to be able to drive wherever you want, there's going to be a certain price to pay in terms of exposure and discomfort.

So I'll turn it back to you, but I just wanted to explain to our listeners, because sometimes it's real obvious to us, and people need a little teaching along the way to say what step we are in the process that you're doing so beautifully, Werner.

So I'll turn it back to you, but I just wanted to explain to our listeners, because sometimes it's real obvious to us, and people need a little teaching along the way to say what step we are in the process that you're doing so beautifully, Werner.

Before you go on, you lost me there, Werner, and just maybe you can clarify it. You were saying that you, Rhonda, had a lot of agitation and anger, which triggered the anxiety. I believe you said something like that.

Before you go on, you lost me there, Werner, and just maybe you can clarify it. You were saying that you, Rhonda, had a lot of agitation and anger, which triggered the anxiety. I believe you said something like that.

Okay, that's great. I'm writing that down. So that being angry with yourself about any flaw, but in this case, a phobia can actually make the problem worse. Whereas talking to yourself in a compassionate way can lower the energy. And it also probably goes along with that common cause theory that I was talking about before. before, that there's an unknown variable that we've proven it exists.

Okay, that's great. I'm writing that down. So that being angry with yourself about any flaw, but in this case, a phobia can actually make the problem worse. Whereas talking to yourself in a compassionate way can lower the energy. And it also probably goes along with that common cause theory that I was talking about before. before, that there's an unknown variable that we've proven it exists.

It's like the dark matter of human suffering, this one thing that causes a lot of negativity simultaneously. so that if you get agitated and increase your anger level toward yourself in this case, that that would be expected to intensify the sadness, the hopelessness, the anxiety, the loneliness, the shame, all of the negative feelings simultaneously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's beautifully said.

It's like the dark matter of human suffering, this one thing that causes a lot of negativity simultaneously. so that if you get agitated and increase your anger level toward yourself in this case, that that would be expected to intensify the sadness, the hopelessness, the anxiety, the loneliness, the shame, all of the negative feelings simultaneously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's beautifully said.

Yeah, absolutely. Can I interject here for a minute? We're overlooking the acceptance paradox. Is that intentional?

Yeah, absolutely. Can I interject here for a minute? We're overlooking the acceptance paradox. Is that intentional?

But isn't it a fact that I'm dumb having these phobias, Rhonda?

But isn't it a fact that I'm dumb having these phobias, Rhonda?