Dr. David Burns

But I just want to push that message out there because we get sometimes caught up on how effective we're being as therapists and how fun it is to see someone improve and forget about that experience. intense terror that the person who's struggling is feeling and maybe has been feeling for years and avoiding things.

But I just want to push that message out there because we get sometimes caught up on how effective we're being as therapists and how fun it is to see someone improve and forget about that experience. intense terror that the person who's struggling is feeling and maybe has been feeling for years and avoiding things.

And by safety behaviors, what you're really just referring to is different subtle forms of avoidance so we don't have to confront our fear because it's so unpleasant to do so.

And by safety behaviors, what you're really just referring to is different subtle forms of avoidance so we don't have to confront our fear because it's so unpleasant to do so.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

The cognitive flooding helped with the real driving.

The cognitive flooding helped with the real driving.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I know.

I know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I drove there easier.

So I drove there easier.

Did you drive home Saturday night?

Did you drive home Saturday night?

Awesome. Yeah. So how are you feeling now, Rhonda, having done all of this hard work?

Awesome. Yeah. So how are you feeling now, Rhonda, having done all of this hard work?