Dr. David DeSteno

I don't know.

And if I can't manipulate something about the mind of God, then I can't infer causality of God exists or doesn't exist.

And so I think this question of does God exist is one science can't answer.

I mean, I'm happy to say as a scientist, I see no empirical evidence that God exists.

But without being able to run an experiment to prove it, it's beyond the realm of science.

And all it does is polarize us.

It polarizes people into the camps that you're saying.

I think most people, the ones on X, are fundamentalists who are shouting science is bad or hardcore new atheists who are saying religion is bad.

I think most people live in the middle somewhere, and most people accept the view that there could be something there, and they're not in tension.

And I think for a lot of history, that was the... I mean, the Catholic Church...

Funds research.

They have a wonderful observatory to look at astronomical behavior.

The Dalai Lama funds neuroscience, right, to understand how the mind works.

And so we had Francis Collins on the show, one of the great geneticists of our time.

And for him, there's no tension.

He says, God, he's a believer.

God created us.

the human mind so that we could learn about the wonders of God's creation and how the world works.

They don't need to be intentions.

So for me, I like to put that question to the side.