Dr. Ellen Langer

There were a couple of people who said, you can't make people younger.

And I'm not saying that chronologically we're changing your age, but it is the case that we associate certain ways of being with certain times in our lives.

and that these men were living their lives now very dependent on their adult daughter, presuming that they can't do many of the things that they used to do, and they were wrong.

And so that set the stage for

a host of studies, most of which, well, all of them actually to date, are in the mindful body.

That's fascinating.

What would you say are, you know, that study was a while ago, right?

Yeah.

Now that was, let's see, we designed it in 1979.

Wow.

Yeah, a long time before you were born.

Remember, it's all one, mind and body.

So we don't have a psychological as opposed to a biological sense.

So it's both.

It's the mind and the body.

But I thought you were asking me, so I'm going to answer the question I thought you were going to ask, not the one that you did, which was, how has the world changed?

Because that's a lot of years.

And way back at the beginning, the medical model believed that psychology was more or less irrelevant.

Now, I'm sure everybody thought it was nice to be happy

but that wasn't going to affect your physical health.