Dr Emily Musgrove

This is about how we grow and how we can become good at something.

And that is often driven by our interest and what might feel, even like there might be an ease with which you do the woodwork, for example.

Like when you're doing it, you've chosen it, you love it, maybe you get into the flow state when you're doing it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But you might have, like when we think about this idea of like a long-term goal, you might have a goal to create something with the woodwork and that that's the longer-term goal.

And what allows you to get there is the interest.

And then this next characteristic, which I want to look at, which is the practice.

But I do really want to really kind of declutter that this is not about finding your natural talent, but actually really looking at what am I deeply interested in?

And with practice, I can get where I want to be.

Yeah.

Oh, no, not necessarily.

I don't think so.

I think this is the thing is that we're all going to have individual experiences and we're going to bring with us our context and, like, to be honest, it's not an even playing field.

We're never starting from an even playing field based on socioeconomic status, our family background, a whole host of factors that are going to influence our capacity to really kind of harness this grit characteristic.

Mm-hmm.

So some of us are going to have natural talents that we can turn into skills and turn into big achievements.

But we can also have little ones.

They don't have to be the big, like Michael Phelps, you know, at one extreme of the spectrum.

But there's something...