Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel

And, you know, all of that stuff, mindfulness training, yoga training, breathing, zero impact.

Because it was individual focused.

The thing which had the big and enduring impact was group activities, volunteer group activities to go do something for the community.

Well, see, because it wasn't psychological.

It wasn't focused on the individual, their anxiety, whatever was going on.

It was focused on bringing them together with other people and doing something that was outside of themselves and their own world.

And again, corporations can do this voluntarily.

I mean, we do it.

We tend to do it once a year around Thanksgiving or Christmas time, going down to a food.

But we could do more of it and organize these activities more.

And I think, again, these are things that organizations and institutions can do to help people.

By the way, I think the government also could have a big role if we emphasize national service.

That's a whole different conversation, but I think it's all the same piece.

bring people together, and create an environment where you have to be social.

So let's talk about the individual.

You point out, you know, churches do it, you know, buddies for bodies.

I think that, I think that's a beautiful encapsulation of the issue.

The other thing we, so we know,

probably the most important thing are your strong social relations, the five to 15 people who you really are close to, family, close friends who you can confide in.

You go maybe on trips.