Dr. Gabor Maté

There has to be a cool combination of factors.

And it's very individual.

It also depends, of course,

the degree of trauma a person suffered and addictions are always about like you've heard my definition of addiction and I'm sure if I asked you like if I asked from talking to a thousand people put your hands up if according to my definition you get an addiction virtually everybody in the room will put their hands up maybe there'll be two liars who but 998 and then I asked them

Not what was wrong with the addiction, but what was right about it.

What did you get from it?

So if I asked you that, so you had your behaviors.

If I asked you, I don't care what it was to, but if I asked you, what did you get from it?

What would that be?

You get some type of relief.

Me?

No, but I mean, what kind of person needs to escape?

Scared person is somebody who's imprisoned, isn't it?

Somebody who's not free.

Who's trapped.

Yeah, somebody who's trapped, exactly.

And I know in your book on toxic masculinity, you talk about being trapped.

Trapped is the very word you use.

Yes.

That's the whole point.