Dr. Gabriel Zuchtriegel
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first heard Jun 2025
last heard Jun 2025
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Aber ich denke, für unsere Besucher wäre es sehr wichtig, mehr zu wissen, was das Leben in Ancient Pompeii war. Und wenn wir uns nur auf die wunderschönen Dinge konzentrieren, That's nice and maybe entertaining, but it doesn't maybe touch us in the way the stories of children and women and men living in very difficult situations sometimes do.
And it makes us think about our own society and justice and inequality. And that's important.
Ja und nein. Wir haben hinter den Bühnen gearbeitet. Wir haben versucht, es zu lancieren und es wichtig zu geben. Wir waren froh, dass die Geschichte von vielen News-Outlets aufgenommen wurde. Manchmal denke ich, dass es außerhalb der Archäologie vielleicht mehr Offenheit gibt zu bestimmten Themen. Wir müssen mehr in diese Richtung machen, aber auch, wie man Pompée öffnen kann.
Es gibt Highlights und das ist auch wichtig, aber auch die Highlights. Die Haus der Wette, das ist einer der berühmtesten Häuser von Pompée. Man kann sich das anschauen und sagen, es ist im Grunde genommen in allen Handelnschriften von ehemaliger Kunst und Bildung und so weiter. But there's also a slave quarter inside the house. And you can ask, where did these people get their wealth from?
And then probably the wine business, right? And so you can connect it to the countryside and to other facilities, the harbor. So even the great art is part of this economic and cultural and social space. Ich finde das sehr aufregend.
Wir denken oft an Pompeji als eine römische Stadt. Eigentlich könnten wir sie als griechische und römische Stadt betrachten, weil sie so voller griechischer Kultur ist. Die Römer sahen nach Griechenland. Sie waren superior in Bezug auf die Militär- und politische Macht. Sie bekamen Griechenland zu einem bestimmten Punkt. but they felt themselves somehow inferior culturally.
And so they learned Greek. All the great politicians and writers had to know Greek. We can see in Pompeii people writing in Greek. Some make mistakes, but there were also many people from the eastern Mediterranean countries Griechisch war die Hauptsprache, nicht nur in Griechenland, sondern auch in Palästina, Ägypten, Syrien und so weiter. Das ist eine Grundlage.
The Greeks had such a sophisticated literature and culture and they had, you know, paintings and statues and even such things like erotic manuals and things, you know, the Romans, very pragmatic, had also difficulties to accept. And so there was a discussion inside the Roman society about Isn't this corrupting? Isn't this something that will in the long run make us weak?
All this Greek culture and drinking and feasting. At the end they couldn't resist. But there was always this kind of ambivalent relation to Greek culture. And then of course the Romans made something new of it. And that's what we often maybe don't see anymore. But the great authors of Latin literature, Virgil, Ovid and so forth, they all had Greek models. But they did something new.
They weren't just translations or imitations of Greek literature. And that's what you see in Pompeii. You see the traditional Roman houses... with the ground plan, which is strictly linked to the social function of the house.
So you have the atrium with the opening in the roof and the tablinum, where the house owner every morning for the salutatio would receive his clients, which were the people who asked for favors and who then would vote for him. when he would run for an office in the town. But these very traditional houses are full of Greek paintings.
So it's as if they were trying to live two lives, two cultural codes. Maybe in the morning you're the traditional Roman house owner and you...
your social and political business and then in the afternoon and in the evening you become a bit more Greek and you drink some Greek wine and meet with friends and Greek poems are performed and you look at the paintings and they become really stories to reflect on the lives of the people who Wir kennen das oft aus Texten.
Sie würden sagen, dass Penelope, die Frau von Odysseus, 20 Jahre warten musste, bis er zurückkam. Die Siege von Troja und dann 10 Jahre, bis er zurückkam. Und dann beginnt man darüber zu sprechen, über Verheiratungsprobleme oder so weiter.
Right. And you have to understand that people didn't have all these books. They had books, but they were scrolls, right? And they copied by hand and so forth. They didn't have, of course, television and newspapers and all that. So there was no public school. There's no place where you could go and someone would tell you the story of our country and how did everything become like it is.
So these images had a great importance for the whole society to imagine, who are we? Where do we come from? They didn't make a big difference between myth and history. So the boundary was somehow fluent. How do we look into the future is really dependent on what's our imaginary history. All these stories, that's literally where people lived their lives.
And when Mount Vesuvius erupted, people didn't know. was wirklich los war. Sie hatten keine Geologie, keine Vulkanologie und so weiter. Manche sahen also Giants in der Flucht. and in the ash over Mount Vesuvius and Pliny writes, many prayed to the gods, many others thought there weren't any gods anymore in the world and a new age of eternal darkness had begun.
So this is what they take from this world of images and stories and myths. Und dann lebst du damit und beobachtest die Katastrophen der Leben mit diesem Wettbewerb.
And who was very wealthy, but maybe didn't have such a Das war sehr wichtig, ja.
Absolutely. But I think what we see in Pompeii is how this is getting lost. Because it's so... Omnipräsent, that the images started to lose their magic. We tend to look at antiquity and say, well, how was it here? How did people live? But actually it's more than a thousand years. Und so gibt es eine große Entwicklung.
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