Dr. Gabrielle Lyon

And the reason I say that is not with every patient, but until it was proven otherwise.

And the reason I say that is not with every patient, but until it was proven otherwise.

Do you think that, and this is a global statement, and partially I'm setting it up because I think I know your answer. Do you think that there is any, in any chronic disease state or for any reason that someone who has low testosterone from a safety perspective should not be given testosterone?

Do you think that, and this is a global statement, and partially I'm setting it up because I think I know your answer. Do you think that there is any, in any chronic disease state or for any reason that someone who has low testosterone from a safety perspective should not be given testosterone?

Meaning did they have genetic disorders that make them hypercoagulable or cancer or something else?

Meaning did they have genetic disorders that make them hypercoagulable or cancer or something else?

I think this is a really important conversation because I have one dear friend that I can think of right now that he would really benefit from testosterone replacement, very active individual. He's on the lower end and we should talk about what low is and the numbers and if you're 310 in the US versus 310 somewhere else, is it still low? But he is concerned about two things.

I think this is a really important conversation because I have one dear friend that I can think of right now that he would really benefit from testosterone replacement, very active individual. He's on the lower end and we should talk about what low is and the numbers and if you're 310 in the US versus 310 somewhere else, is it still low? But he is concerned about two things.

He's, number one, concerned about safety, and number two, he's concerned what other people would think, that he is using it because they're worried about safety.

He's, number one, concerned about safety, and number two, he's concerned what other people would think, that he is using it because they're worried about safety.

And that just makes me think about the beginning of the conversation. When you went back to examine the data from, is it Hutchinson? Huggins. Huggins. Well, Hutchinson's next. Charles Huggins. Huggins.

And that just makes me think about the beginning of the conversation. When you went back to examine the data from, is it Hutchinson? Huggins. Huggins. Well, Hutchinson's next. Charles Huggins. Huggins.

You went back and you looked at the original data that everyone had spent 40 years building upon. Can you share what that is? Because I know at the time we were talking last night at dinner, at the time we didn't have the Internet. So you actually had to go to the basement of Harvard to get this study. And I am just curious, as is the listener, what did it show?

You went back and you looked at the original data that everyone had spent 40 years building upon. Can you share what that is? Because I know at the time we were talking last night at dinner, at the time we didn't have the Internet. So you actually had to go to the basement of Harvard to get this study. And I am just curious, as is the listener, what did it show?

Not without recourse, though. It wasn't easy to get that published.

Not without recourse, though. It wasn't easy to get that published.

And everybody believed it. And everybody practiced based on it for 40 years.

And everybody believed it. And everybody practiced based on it for 40 years.

We have to pause there. Why we have to pause is the gravity of what you're saying. People have to understand. They were castrating men based on a belief from this individual who, again, is probably a phenomenal scientist. There were two viable patients in the study, maybe one viable because one was castrated. Only one. One viable patient. Yeah. Based on a way you guys were looking at this acid.

We have to pause there. Why we have to pause is the gravity of what you're saying. People have to understand. They were castrating men based on a belief from this individual who, again, is probably a phenomenal scientist. There were two viable patients in the study, maybe one viable because one was castrated. Only one. One viable patient. Yeah. Based on a way you guys were looking at this acid.