Dr. Jay Bhattacharya

And I don't know exactly what happened in Wuhan because the Chinese won't share their lab notebooks with us. But what I will say is that we should not be engaged in any of these kinds of utopian exercises that pose a risk to human health at the scale that we saw during the pandemic. It's just a catastrophic mistake that we ever engaged in this.

And I don't know exactly what happened in Wuhan because the Chinese won't share their lab notebooks with us. But what I will say is that we should not be engaged in any of these kinds of utopian exercises that pose a risk to human health at the scale that we saw during the pandemic. It's just a catastrophic mistake that we ever engaged in this.

And whether it's a civilian justification or some biodefense justification, it makes no sense to me for the U.S. government or any other government to be engaged in it.

And whether it's a civilian justification or some biodefense justification, it makes no sense to me for the U.S. government or any other government to be engaged in it.

And whether it's a civilian justification or some biodefense justification, it makes no sense to me for the U.S. government or any other government to be engaged in it.

Vince, actually, the gain of function ban the president signed is expansive. It's actually everything I wanted. It essentially directs the U.S. government as well to not support this kind of dangerous research internally and externally. It mentions specifically some adversary nations.

Vince, actually, the gain of function ban the president signed is expansive. It's actually everything I wanted. It essentially directs the U.S. government as well to not support this kind of dangerous research internally and externally. It mentions specifically some adversary nations.

Vince, actually, the gain of function ban the president signed is expansive. It's actually everything I wanted. It essentially directs the U.S. government as well to not support this kind of dangerous research internally and externally. It mentions specifically some adversary nations.

I mean, it's amazing to me that we cooperate with the Chinese on this kind of research in the past because that's especially dangerous. But, you know, part of the reasoning why was that the biosafety standards were more lax in Wuhan than they were here.

I mean, it's amazing to me that we cooperate with the Chinese on this kind of research in the past because that's especially dangerous. But, you know, part of the reasoning why was that the biosafety standards were more lax in Wuhan than they were here.

I mean, it's amazing to me that we cooperate with the Chinese on this kind of research in the past because that's especially dangerous. But, you know, part of the reasoning why was that the biosafety standards were more lax in Wuhan than they were here.

And so we, some researchers, I keep saying we when it wasn't me, some researchers engaged in offshoring this kind of dangerous work because they knew it would be more difficult to do here. But it is also still done here, Vince. And I think it's dangerous no matter where it happens. And the president's order essentially says no more of it. It's a little tricky because gain of function –

And so we, some researchers, I keep saying we when it wasn't me, some researchers engaged in offshoring this kind of dangerous work because they knew it would be more difficult to do here. But it is also still done here, Vince. And I think it's dangerous no matter where it happens. And the president's order essentially says no more of it. It's a little tricky because gain of function –

And so we, some researchers, I keep saying we when it wasn't me, some researchers engaged in offshoring this kind of dangerous work because they knew it would be more difficult to do here. But it is also still done here, Vince. And I think it's dangerous no matter where it happens. And the president's order essentially says no more of it. It's a little tricky because gain of function –

as a tool is actually useful biologically for human health. So for instance, human insulin is produced at scale using a kind of gain of function work. You take E. coli and trick them into making human insulin. The problem is gain of function work that has the possibility of causing a pandemic. That's the work we should not be doing, no matter what it is, no matter where it is.

as a tool is actually useful biologically for human health. So for instance, human insulin is produced at scale using a kind of gain of function work. You take E. coli and trick them into making human insulin. The problem is gain of function work that has the possibility of causing a pandemic. That's the work we should not be doing, no matter what it is, no matter where it is.

as a tool is actually useful biologically for human health. So for instance, human insulin is produced at scale using a kind of gain of function work. You take E. coli and trick them into making human insulin. The problem is gain of function work that has the possibility of causing a pandemic. That's the work we should not be doing, no matter what it is, no matter where it is.

And I saw Secretary Kennedy say this, and I completely agree. We should be promoting an international treaty to get rid of this work. It helps nobody. It won't help us win battles with our adversaries. It just endangers human populations.

And I saw Secretary Kennedy say this, and I completely agree. We should be promoting an international treaty to get rid of this work. It helps nobody. It won't help us win battles with our adversaries. It just endangers human populations.

And I saw Secretary Kennedy say this, and I completely agree. We should be promoting an international treaty to get rid of this work. It helps nobody. It won't help us win battles with our adversaries. It just endangers human populations.