Dr. Jay Wiles

So, and then the other component too is that what are you looking at the whole time you're doing biofeedback on a phone?

Watching your phone.

Watching your phone.

And how much do we need to really disconnect from our phone nowadays?

Like we're so inundated.

When I think about my phone, I don't associate that with something that is intended to help me downregulate and relax.

Yeah, correct.

And this actually kind of to, to call back to a previous question that you had that I actually don't think we answered is that you had asked, does resonance frequency change over time?

Like, do you need to go get retested with resonance frequency?

And the answer is, is that initially it was thought that it was a pretty fixed characteristic, but now that we're actually like looking at more of the nuances of resonance frequency, we actually see that it can dynamically change across time and across context.

So if you're breathing at said four and a half breaths per minute, which you mentioned was your resonance rate, like it may have been at the time of the testing that you did it.

But what if, you know, you left and the next day it's 4.897?

Well, it doesn't sound like a big change, but what we know in the world of biofeedback, and this is the type of breathing that I really want to hone in on, is that precision always beats effort and intention when it comes to breathing.

Yeah, and it's not to say that you wouldn't have gains.

It's just you're not optimizing the gain.

You're not going to gain as much of a robust or significant gain.

It depends on the person.

Like I have seen some people that if I were to have them, let's say breathe at five breaths per minute versus 5.2 breaths per minute, we could have a 50% difference, 100% difference in heart rate variability.

So precision matters.

I mean, even with them breathing at 5.2 when their resonance rate was 5.0, they're still gonna have