Dr. Jay Wiles

I'm doing okay.

He did, which was pretty fun to watch, actually.

You should watch at least some highlight and clip.

Okay, cool.

I feel like it's an aspect of Brian Johnson's personality where he's like, I didn't know that was in there.

Yeah, it makes sense.

The one thing to kind of also question here, most of it is coming top down, but there are some actual theories of emotion that are actually looking more at bottom up.

So there's James Lang theory of emotion that actually says that we encounter an incident.

So let's say we encounter an event, an external event, and

And actually our physiology is the first thing to respond.

So we're kind of built and ingrained with this like unconscious kind of scanning of the environment to determine threats that's really not driven by our cognition.

That's just really primal.

And it's the thing that when we see the snake that's lying there, maybe we haven't been taught to be afraid of the snake, but something inside of our physiology says, no, danger, like don't go there.

And so then we receive that signal from our body up.

So it's bottom up.

And then now we're starting to make a cognitive appraisal with that thing that we just experienced.

Yeah, sure.

So I can give you a clinical example or a performance example.

Both.

Which one?