Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon

So he went to Chicago.

And...

for a while, lived with his second wife.

And she had two children, I believe, who weren't Gacy's biological children.

He lived with them, and the murders, there may have been a murder that occurred while she was still there, but she divorced him, got out of the picture, and that's when the rate of murders really accelerated.

He was a sadist.

He tortured – one of them lived and wrote a book called 29 Below about his experience surviving Gacy.

And interestingly, he's the one surviving victim, I believe, who says –

He was half knocked out by chloroform or whatever Gacy had used to knock him out.

But he said he saw a second man in the room.

That's all the mystery of the Gacy case was that second man.

Was he hallucinating it or was there really a second man?

Gacy had some bad actors working with him.

And I think the police suspected that one of them was involved.

But anyway, this person who survived Gacy's torture,

Yeah, he described just a horrible ordeal of being, I think, electrically shocked.

He was put in the bathtub for a while.

So there were electrical shocks.

As I said, chloroform.

And he loved tightening a noose around someone's neck and then loosening it and tightening again and loosening it.