Dr. Jen Gunter

If you're making $3 million a year or selling supplements, that's not going to have an effect on what you're doing.

Or if you're getting ads from, you're getting ad money from whatever clear blue for their menopause test, that's not going to affect your messaging.

Like, come on, man.

Like, this is a lot of money.

You know, people forward emails along to me about, you know, what some supplement company offered them or whatever.

And, you know, for 10 hours a month, you could get $20,000.

You know, I mean, I couldn't live with myself.

my kids would be deeply disappointed.

And yeah, I mean, it's completely offensive to me.

But yeah, so when people have products to sell, that affects things.

And I think it's really easy for people to tell themselves it doesn't.

I've been pharma-free since, I don't know,

2003, 2002.

What does pharma free mean?

Oh, I don't do anything associated with pharmaceutical companies ever.

Like ever.

And that's why I often don't get involved with patient advocacy groups because many of them are funded by pharma.

So I'm just very, very.

I mean, I probably trip up now and then, but it's like a real conscious effort to do it.

And again, it's hard because you see like what's the messaging and what people say, oh, I want you to share this reel.