Dr. Jessica Venner

And the more I looked into women in Pompeii, got down this fantastic rabbit hole where I thought, well, who would have been around Julia?

Who would she have been relying on?

I found all of these fascinating women that had some involvement in families that were already in business or they were very, very old families, but that would have all existed at the same time.

And even on the street that Julia Felix lived on were so many women.

And they were putting out electoral notices outside their houses.

And as women, they couldn't vote.

They're having an involvement and a voice in the electoral process, but they couldn't vote.

So clearly, women had more involvement than we give them credit for in public and private life.

Yeah, yeah.

Easy for you to say.

Thank you.

Yes, there absolutely is.

So Aulus Umbricius Scaurus is the fish sauce magnate of Pompeii.

He is the guy because he had dominated the fish sauce industry in Campania.

He has the majority of labels on jars, these terracotta jars that they put out with the fish sauce in it.

A very like specific shape with a pointy end.

And like you'd sit the bottle up.

It wasn't like an amphora.

It wasn't completely, you know, the amphora is spiky at the end.

So they're like these tiny little pretty bottles.