Dr. Jessica Venner

But by the time, so again, post-earthquake, it looks like from recent excavations that are being done on working people, which is great.

I'm so pleased about that and not on occupations.

It looks like he was converting the workshops or selling them off.

and exporting sort of this main production process to places like Portugal, where they had huge manufacturing processes that were able to, you know, cope with this amount of fish sauce that people wanted.

It was basically like their ketchup.

They put it on everything.

Yeah.

So probably a good segue is to Umbricia Fortunata.

Okay.

Who, yes, sounds very much like Umbricius.

And that's because she was his freedwoman.

And again, she did really exist.

Wow.

She was working for him in the fish sauce business.

And I just think it's just, again, fascinating because we've, again, got these bottles with the branding on it, but it will say her name.

Because she's Umbrichia and people would know his brand in Pompeii very well, there's that association.

So it's almost like, you know, it's a badge of honour.

Exactly.

And she was very savvy because she was creating, or at least she was selling fish sauce that was kosher as well.

So she's doing like specific needs in business as well.