Dr. Jessica Venner

He might have been completely panicking and running around like a headless chicken, but he's being depicted as being very calm and

and in control of the situation for a reason.

He's saying that, oh dear, the atriums are starting to fill up.

We realize we can't stay doing what we're doing because it is blocking in doors.

In a villa just outside of Pompeii, very recently, and people might have seen this in the news,

A couple of people were found inside a room.

They'd blocked the door in because your instinct is to hide, right, in a situation like this if you don't know better.

But they got trapped because the pumice had risen to such a height that they couldn't open the door again.

And so they were trapped in a coffin of their own making, basically.

Yes, yes.

And so that's all going on.

And of course, you mentioned Herculeanum.

It's worth mentioning the 300 people that were hiding in the boat sheds.

There were people trying to escape by the sea, which is what Pliny the Elder was trying to help with on his boats that he was in charge of from Mizunum.

He was a general in charge of that.

And there's 300 people that were hiding in the boat sheds.

And until the 1980s, when archaeologists found them, we thought that most people had got out of Hurt Canadian, pretty much that everyone had been evacuated.

No, they were all down by the coast.

And so it's mostly women and elderly people and children inside the boat sheds and outside of the boat sheds on the beach are mostly men and soldiers and horses, actually, and boats.

So this giving a pattern of what's happening over time