Dr. Joan Cronin

And while the numbers of children have reduced and, you know, with good reason, because historically,

Like large families constituted the norm in Ireland.

You know, poverty was widespread.

So things have changed and women have more options and choices available to them.

But like Mary said, like I suppose what's changing is the challenges facing women nowadays because they're having to balance work life and family life, you know, and this notion as well, of course, of intensive mothering.

So in a way, David, excuse the expression, but you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, so to speak.