Dr. Justin Coulson

But the ability to disconnect and as you said, to compartmentalize and shut out the noise is

That's not what humans were wired for.

We are literally wired to be ultra social.

We don't survive well without really solid connections, but specifically we want to be liked.

And when we're not getting liked, it causes our nervous system to go into overdrive.

Like it's really, really hard.

So I'm with you.

I wanted to be the provocative guy because I love to have opinions that are kind of

I just like people to rethink their assumptions.

And I just got so sick of doing it because I was constantly on, oh, it's exhausting, on the defense all the time.

So yeah, people who are in that space, it's hard.

But you know, the other thing around this, Ella, and this is really important.

I don't want to derail the conversation, but the way the algorithm works, it doesn't matter whether you're talking about TikTok, Instagram, whatever platform.

When you and I sit down, let's say, I don't know anything about your politics, you don't know anything about mine, but let me just say that you love Pauline Hanson and I love the Greens, or vice versa, it doesn't matter, okay?

But we're at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

When we get online and say stuff,

Because it's anonymized and because there's this distance and I don't have to look you in the eyes and I don't actually have to understand you.

I'm just there to tell you what I think.

It blows up.

But if you and I sit down face to face, like we're sitting over my kitchen bench or sitting on my back deck and we're having a drink and having a chat.