Dr. Kelly Starrett

And you're right.

Maybe the fundamental aspect of sauna is that we just start moving and pumping and things start, you know, that's great.

I'm into it.

Now we can say, well, how often, when should I, can I make it too hot?

You actually brought our temperature way down.

Thank you very much.

We listened.

And now we're at like 180, not 230.

I'm not retching in the sauna anymore because I'm overheated.

But I think if we're talking about performance, great research around sauna.

We can sauna, sauna, sauna.

But it's a stressor and will definitely smoke you.

We probably tend to use cold a little bit more judiciously because it can blunt adaptation to exercise, right?

Which is not what we're trying to do.

And yet simultaneously, I would just say, hey, if you're a middle-aged rec guy, get cold when it works for you.

Don't worry about it.

If we're trying to win a gold medal, maybe we think about when we're dosing that exposure of cold so we don't blunt any adaptation.

But if we're talking about jumping in some cold water for a minute, that's not the same thing as icing.

People freak out when they get cold.

I'm like, what's wrong with you?