Dr. Kurt Gray

OK, great.

Here are the facts.

And they say, well, not those facts.

Those are not real.

Those are fake facts.

So, you know, different media ecosystems, different facts.

And so not only do we not agree on the facts, but it turns out facts are not really relevant to questions of morality because those things we feel in our gut and those things are about harm.

But turns out the most powerful way to bridge it is through storytelling.

And, you know, as a journalist, I think this is probably obvious to you, not obvious to a lot of people, right?

Exactly, right, the car chase story, exactly.

You know, we evolved telling stories around the campfire.

Even now, if you sit around the dining room table, you're not like, well, you know, if you think about the distribution of beliefs on this particular issue, you know, never.

You think, here's a story, and that's what's interesting.

And so when it comes to morality, we respect those who tell us stories to back up their beliefs, especially when those stories are grounded in experiences of harm.

They were often pro-gun control.

And then our accomplice always took the opposing opinion.

And she started out real strong.

She says, you believe in gun control?

I can't believe it.

Anyone who thinks that is un-American, right?