Dr. Marc Gafni

That's third person.

But there is a second person in cosmos and second person is not made up.

It's actually a relational cosmos, right?

all the way up and all the way down.

It's a conversational cosmos, all the way up and all the way down.

But here's the crazy thing.

Not as a metaphor.

It's not a metaphor.

It's not poetry.

It's not

You know, one of my you know, I say this tenderly and Brian, if you're listening, I mean it gently.

My kind of huge issues with, let's say, the universe story, people like Brian Swim and that gang, and they're doing a great job.

But they're basically they believe in standard evolutionary theory of the old near Darwinian kind.

And then they do mythopoetics.

But let's give you the poetic reading.

No, it's not poetic.

it's the science it's the pros of reality is that reality is conversational meaning meaning three quarks that go two up and one down and become a proton right are having literally a conversation with each other which means you have two first person experiences that meet in the second person space and they exchange information

That is actually true.

That's not metaphorically true.

That's the nature of reality is that reality is all the way down and all the way up a conversational cosmos.