Dr. Marc Gafni

Evolution is the evolution of love, right?

Love, eros, allurement creates new holes, but it's all of a sudden response all the way down the evolutionary chain to a need.

So, and this is what this book, the Bahir points towards.

And this is what the studies that Dean is adducing are pointing to that underneath the orders of physics, right?

Underneath the orders of those important structures of the world, there's something underneath, which is love.

or which is relationality.

So for example, even a physicist like Carlo Rovelli, who's a student of Wheeler's, who writes a book in 2018 called The Matter of Time.

And if you look at the first, last four or five chapters of the book, what he essentially says is, is that time is not a basic foundational structure of reality, which is why it's not a constant in any of the equations.

Time is actually that which is constructed from, emerges from, relationality.

So relationship, relationality, the relational cosmos is underneath time.

Now, for Rovelli, just to have intellectual honesty, which is important, Rovelli is a reductive materialist.

So he's not describing value.

He's just describing what's there, right?

He's saying, oh, relationality, if I can talk kind of is, right, is underneath time.

We understand from the perspective of the interior sciences that relationality is love, right?

Love is underneath time.

Open the Zohar in eight different passages, the Book of Radiance.

It says that actually the field of chavivuta, of eros value, is underneath time.

the field of time.

But by time, it doesn't mean time.