Dr. Marc Gafni

And I said, you know, we could stop the recording now.

This is not going well.

She said, no, no, no.

And so we went through it.

Her husband, also a well-known figure, called me after and said, please don't talk to my wife anymore because you just completely confused her in this conversation.

She's doing what she's doing.

And I respected that.

You know, she's doing important work.

And the work, it's called the work, has done many important and wonderful things.

And she's saying something that's actually very important.

Because honestly, like there's lots of secrets and there's lots of works.

There's lots of secrets and lots of works.

And this particular person's work is actually, I think, really important.

And I think Joe's work is important.

And I think all of these things have enormous value and they're giving enormous gifts and.

And what prayer is saying is I have a mysterious relationship with the infinite intimate.

And there's a place in which in the relationship I love so much that I hold the relationship even in the mystery of it, even in the uncertainty of it, even when I can't figure it out.

And, you know, we started with suffering.

Right.

Even, you know, I hold the relationship sometimes when there's unbearable suffering because I've known the goodness of our intimacy.