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Dr. Matt Walker

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Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

You need to warm up to wake up.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

What that refers to technically in sleep science are what we call the thermal trigger zones.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So warming up to cool down to fall asleep is what we call the sleep onset thermal trigger zone.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Cooling down or staying cool to stay asleep is about the deep sleep trigger zone.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And then warming up to wake up is the activating alertness trigger zone.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Studies, if you looked at them to begin with before they manipulated that, found something fascinating.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

If I take you, Andrew Huberman, and I bring you into my lab and I remove your phone or your laptop and you say goodbye to your friends and family and I bring you into the center and there are no cues as to what time of day, no windows, no nothing.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And I'm just going to say, look, I'll keep asking you, but

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

at the moment that you feel most sleepy, just let me know.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

It turns out that before that, we'd done the delightful intervention of inserting a rectal probe into you, because that's the best way that we can measure your core body temperature.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So we're measuring your core body temperature.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And sure enough, despite you knowing nothing about what time it is,

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

The moment that you will tell me I am ready to go to bed and I am sleepy is the moment when you are on the greatest decelerating trajectory of your core body temperature.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

It is highly predictive of how sleepy you will feel.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

The way that your body does this is by pushing blood out to the surface regions of your skin, notably your hands and your feet, because these are these highly vascular regions.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And you had a great podcast from one of my heroes and good friend, Craig Heller, who's done some amazing work on this at Stanford.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

So naturally, as we lie down, blood races to our hands and our feet and also our head, and we start to release that heat trapped in the core of our body.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And by releasing that heat at the surface, our core body temperature drops.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

Hence, the outer surfaces of you, hands, feet, and face, have to warm up for your core to cool down for you to fall asleep.

Huberman Lab
GUEST SERIES | Dr. Matt Walker: Protocols to Improve Your Sleep

And in fact, there was a great nature paper some years ago.