Dr. Matt Walker

Would you take 10% benefit?

Absolutely, you would.

So grade point averaging increase.

So it isn't trivial, necessarily.

Well, no, your point is a very good one because you could argue based on what I just went back and said regarding the exercise study with Rhonda Patrick, I've just reversed my own threshold logic.

I said to you, well, okay, exercise was able to overcome some of the deficits that occur by way of sleep deprivation for your blood sugar.

but don't assume that that necessarily means it overcomes the other detriments that you'll have for your hormonal health, your thermoregulatory capacity, your cardiovascular disease, your brain function.

So I've just said, look, simply one thing doesn't mean that you've assessed all things.

And now I'm saying, okay, if you don't show that it improved that one thing, then it's not functional.

But Matt, by your own logic,

You've said, but you didn't assess many of the other things.

So even if it didn't improve memory, as you said, it's the bedrock of all things health.

You need to assess all of them before you make your conclusion of the yes and so what failed test.

So you're absolutely right to point that out.

So...

what was interesting after that data came out in humans which is usually the opposite way around they started to look in in animal models and you mentioned the vestibular system this ability for us to understand motion and movement and there's lots of mechanisms for that

They looked at mice and they started doing this rocking again.

And sure enough, the mice fell asleep faster.

But then they found a strain of mice that did not have the lateral vestibular sensation mechanism.

And they rocked them just the same way.