Dr. Matthew Walker

We're just disagreeing about something.

I literally said mid dispute that we were having, I said, we're going to regret this so much.

And what I meant was,

When that phone call rings and someone gives me bad news that either I'm going or you're going, I'm going to regret that this 30 minutes was wasted doing this.

I'm really going to regret it.

And it's like, you know, we're fucking arguing about, I don't know, some chocolate, whatever it might be, some trivial thing.

It's actually really helped me because in the midst of those storms, thinking through to that moment when you get that phone call and like you're ill or I'm ill and we're not going to be around much longer.

Yeah.

um it liberates you from the pettiness that a sense of immortality can create and that pettiness results in the complacency that you're describing that like i did i took you for granted yeah so it's a nice little mechanism now for me to go is this an important thing is this really important and i have to provide nuance there which is this doesn't mean don't address things correct yeah i was just about to say conflict is critical you've got to fight well

But let it be me versus you and the problem.

Like me and you versus the problem versus me just going at you.

Liv, thank you.

Thank you so much.

I mean, I can't thank you enough for the profound impact you've had on so many millions of people, being the chief torchbearer of the subject of sleep and creating a movement around sleep, but also a heightened awareness of ourselves and our struggles.

And that is something that you'll never understand.

Like you'll never understand the full magnitude of the many millions of people you've positively impacted.

But I mean, even though you'll never get to meet them all and you'll never get to hear all of their thank yous,

They are very, very real people, and they are – them themselves are these little ripples through the ocean where they're children, and then the generations to come get to sleep better and enjoy their lives and live a happier, healthier life because of the work that you do.

So it's incredibly important work, Matthew, and I hope you long continue it and long continue being the conduit of this very important information to people like me and my audience.

Couldn't appreciate you more.