Dr. Nolan Williams

It's almost one of the kind of vocational risks.

They come back and say that they've...

They've forgiven themselves, which is huge, right?

And part of that is being able to see themselves in a different light and having empathy finally for themselves and being able to kind of have that experience of forgiving.

And so there's this kind of Timothy Leary kind of sociocultural construct that ends up being overlaid over psychedelics.

And what I think...

is that if you rid yourself of all of those preconceived notions of what it is and isn't and the counterculture movement, all that stuff that neither of us were ever involved in, neither of us are ever partaken, it's kind of straight scientists looking at this.

If you can kind of rid yourself of all those sociocultural constructions and then re-examine this,

these, if we just discovered these today, we would say that these sorts of drugs are a huge breakthrough in psychiatry because they allow for us to do a lot of the sorts of things we've been thinking about with SSRIs, with psychotherapy, but kind of combined, right?

Psychotherapy plus drugs in a substance that kind of allows you to re-examine

And so it's interesting.

There's a lot to do to try to figure out if that's true.

And I can say that as it stands right now, we don't know if that statement is true.

There's a lot more work that needs to happen for that statement to be proven to be true.

But the hypothesis is if it is true, then it's very likely that

This will be seen as a breakthrough because it allows you to do these sorts of things that you can't do with normal waking consciousness.

But also why we have to really think about this and, you know, these drugs can't be recreational drugs.

They really shouldn't be recreational drugs, right?

They're really too powerful, right?

to be used in the context of recreation because they can put you into these states.